Public Consultation
Proposed Statutory Fund to support the needs of Survivors of Residential Institutional Child Abuse.
The Government has announced its proposal to use €110m of the offers of contributions from religious Congregations to establish and operate a Statutory Fund to support the needs of survivors of residential institutional child abuse and for other education and welfare purposes.
The Statutory Fund is being proposed to support the continuing education, health and welfare needs faced by survivors. The Fund will not provide cash compensation for survivors and will be separate and distinct from the compensation scheme operated by the independent Residential Institutions Redress Board, which provides fair and reasonable awards to victims of institutional childhood abuse.
As part of the consultation process, the Department of Education and Skills is meeting with groups representing survivors of institutional child abuse and the religious Congregations. However, many survivors are not affiliated to groups and may wish to contribute independently to the process. As the Department wishes to consult as widely as possible it invites the views of all interested parties.
Submissions should identify, as far as possible, the specific needs facing survivors and suggest how the Fund should operate to assist in meeting these needs.
Written submissions can be emailed to StatutoryFund@education.gov.ie or posted to Statutory Fund Consultation, Department of Education and Skills, Block 2, Marlborough Street, Dublin 1.
A Freefone Service is available to receive comments from Monday to Friday between 10am and 1pm by phoning 1800 938 140 (Republic of Ireland) or 0800 0148912 (NI & UK) (this service is being operated by Barnardos on behalf of the Department of Education and Skills).
The closing date for the receipt of submissions is Friday 27th August, 2010.
Please note that all comments, observations and submissions will be subject to the Freedom of Information Acts 1997-2003. Consequently when submitting material, a person should identify any information which they do not wish to have released together with an accompanying explanation.
Those Survivors who were told to go to the redress bore>Oh sorry I mean BOARD. if they excepted the crumbs offered often a lot less than those sitting on the board got, having been put through Insults and humilitation were to traumatised and upset many already Sick and elderly to question the board ,many had to then fly from Dublin Airport to many parts of the world the small sums they may have recieved for their life long suffering was soon eaten up in Rents ,Mortgages, Tax’s food , Medical ,every day living ,like food , Bill’s , household Bills, so it is stupidity that the government in Ireland insists on handing over millions to those Groups based mostly in ireland ,It’s so they keep all the money in ireland , They say the Nuns ran 25 Industrial schools ,from 1940 , Sister x said there were 150 children there in her time many of those who were babies in the 50’s would have been included in that figure who didn’t leave until the 1960’s so say on average ,25 industrial schools had 150 children so 25 Industrial schools there would have been in total 3,750 children in those schools run by the Nun’s . then there is the Boy’s Industrial schools for Babies and young children.if we are talking figures compared to the Money that has been and will be handed over for the Compansation For those who were detained in those Sadistic Hell Holes , we believe each Victim should be given at least 800,000 Euros each.even that will NEVER make up for the Loss and suffering inflicited on Little children whose lives were distroyed. The Irish Holocaust of the Wholesale sacrifice of the lives of Irish Children.
How many of The Irish centers in the UK have already applied or already recieved Fund’s from the statuary Trust Fund from their SECRET meetings with the government,ahead of it been set up ??even though as far as survivors know the Statuary Trust fund HAS NOT BEEN SET UP AND SHOULD BE SCRAPPED. I have never had any help from anyone nor recieve any information about anything ,I spent nearly all of my childhood in Industrial schools ,I am now in my 60’s, We must see The government’s list of all the children who were sentenced and Illegally detained as criminals and treated by the religious orders AS CRIMINALS throughout all of our childhoods there can’t be that many of us still alive ,those that are alive are in many different countries .all those so called Services for survivors must have lists of our names they claim to represent WHICH THEY DON’T. JUST SO THAT THEY CAN swell their own bank accounts ignoring and Bullying vulnerable survivors causing fear in Coohuts with the religious orders and government from the start so much so that survivors are bullied into silence exiled in different countries cut off totally ,THE GOVERNMENT went along with them and allowed them to continue robbing from the survivors with their secret meetings paradeing themselves as being respresentivites ,The only people they have represented is THEMSELVES. SHAME ON THEM .they have committed a criminal act and must not get away with it. Anyone know how many children were detained in each Industrial school ???from what years??to what year??we could then work it out ourselves with help from our own sorces ,
IT HAS TO BE NOW the european court of human rights. There is something sinister about the reason for the Statuary Trust Fund,It’s in no way for the benifit of the Survivors must be investigated . Mrs Buckley you have caused so much harm and stress to survivors always only thinking of yourself , your fame has become a drug to you .your story grew and grew until people in ireland believe it.
You know sally many of us have things to say about this staturary fund. but in all the years this has been going on 11years no one has ever asked me a thing personaly. you seem to have plans for this so tell us about what your plans are . the industriel schools are slipping into oblivion. this is not fair.i know there is a lot of misery everywhere butits about victims who spent thier childhood locked up by decision of the state. when people were signing the petitions last may it was for these victims. i have had to leave my place for a few days because of bed bugs but there is no help for me from any of these state funded groups as usual i had to sort it out myself.and thats the way it always workes. so what difference can it make to me because i have never been able to count on them wiether you are funded or not . we are told your work is worthwhile but i wouldnt know . you want to be heard well so do we .
Sally,
Don’t give up?
This Government and the Civil Servants that advise them have proved so far they are unfit to administer a Trust Fund.
Why should Survivor have to go cap in hand to the Abusers when the criteria for applying for aid means that ANY request can be outside the remit of such a Fund;
A refusal in time of need would be a Crushing Experience?
Thank you for understanding the Intention behind my email!
Thank you Paddy for this site .
Kathleen, it is the right of anyone to make a comment here, there is no other website that allows them to do so other than this one. To quote Rob. “Shame of Ireland was born out of your website, Paddy” Can you tell me where the “petulant behaviour” is coming from and I will deal with it as the person in charge of this website. Paddy.
Rob, Has worked very hard on Shame of Ireland. Its a pity the letter sent to him was made so public. Such petulant behaviour is uncalled for.
Kathleen O’Malley. “Childhood Interrupted”.
And it looks like the Government’s attitude to survivors is just going to get colder. Things will just happen because that’s what the civil servants say. Might I remind people of what Ruairi Quinn, T.D. now the Minister with responsibility for Statutory Fund and The Redress Board had to say in the Dáil following the debate on the publication of the Report to Inquire into Child abuse. Read it here and pass it around. Pass it around and perhaps we should remind Minister Quinn of what he said – click here http://www.paddydoyle.com/?s=Ruairi+Quinn Best wishes. Paddy.
Robert that’s ok . As I said you did not do it intentionally. Looks like the damn thing is going to be legislated for after all.
I give up
Kay
I have spent a year trying to get talks . Its frustratinmg and it makes me feel like giving up.
Nothing seems to penetrate and if its forced through without consultation , they will have a further ten years of frustration and alienationn from the very people this STF is supposed to assist .
I give up
The worst Thing is Paddy, I think it will be a case of “leave it” especially so from the older people who dont want further education, counselling etc, the impression I get is that most people want to live out their days in some kind of financial security….I find the Governments attitude towards survivors to be cold and calculated…nothing new there then….Kay
That comes as no surprise to me Kay. Another example of “take it or leave it”. Paddy
Sally
I apologise if I have misquoted you I was merely trying to show the strength of feeling about what the Previous Government started to bully through and what the Current Government will continue to push through unless they are made to take notice.
I copied and pasted what you said from the Petition, I admit I did omit some of the Wording but pointed out that I had ans pointed to where the full content could be read.
I will of course contact Enda Kenny and clarify the words of the petition you signed or Forward him a copy of the posting that you have posted above.
Please let me know what other inaccuracy’s I need to correct? I would prefer this done privately or at least where a copy of the offending email appears so as not to confuse others?
Once again I apologise if you feel that I deliberately misquoted you I merely wanted to let them know that people where not happy.
Sally
Don’t think there will be any further negotiations if the following Information (in part) I received 3 days ago From Ruairi Quinn T.D. is anything to go by
The views expressed in the responses together with the views from the Department’s engagement with groups and other interested parties have been considered and the Department has prepared a General Scheme of a Bill to provide for the Statutory Fund, with a view to the Minister bringing it to the attention of the Government. Once matters have been agreed and finalised, interested parties will then be advised as to what assistance may be provided by the Fund.
Kay
Robert, has posted a copy of a letter he wrote to Enda Kenny .
Many lines in his letter are simply not accurate.
Robert, you may not have intentionally misrepresented what I say, but you did. It would be better if you could be more careful with your assertions.
I did not sign any petition that read ‘ I am against the proposed STF.’
If you read Paddy Doyle’s petition ….it is calling for the government – to reconsider the STF and negotiate. I gave my reasons for signing that petition-read them. I agreed with it.
I asked for the STF to be discussed and reconsidered and negotiations to take place.
Nor did I ever say I wanted the money to be dispersed, or divided equally. Get real that is not going to happen.
Who are you proposing should be ‘included’ in your notion of dividing it equally? What about all those survivors excluded from the Redress Scheme? What about Bethany, Laundry women, late applications etc etc. Are they in your mind included or excluded. That is an issue we need to discuss with the Minister., along with many more.
I have said this and will say it again, we need the STF to be reconsidered and the issues raised properly considered by the Minister and that negotiations take place.
The Education Dept officers know very well that these requests to negotiate have been made constantly and they constantly were ignored. They have received 250 submissions since Minister Coughlan asked for views. They got those views in abundance and thereafter refused all pleas for us to meet the Minister. That as far as I am concerned is where we are still at.
Please do not Robert, write, to Enda Kenny quoting me unless you have actually cleared it with me?
Thank you.
I WAS VERY MOVED BY THE FILM “SUNSHINE AND ORANGES” BEING SHOWN AT THE MOMENT. IT RESONATES STRONGLY WITH ME, OF THE IRISH SITUATION OF INSTITUTIONAL ABUSE. ALTHOUGH THESE CHILDREN WERE DEPORTED FROM THE UK TO AUSTRALIA RIGHT UP IN THE 70’S, THE TRUE STORY CONTAINS ALL THE SHOCKING HORRORS WHICH WERE VISITED ON CHILDREN IN IRELAND: NOT THE SAME. BUT REALLY, JUST THE SAME. THE DIRECTOR MIGHT BE CONVINCED TO DO A FILM ABOUT OUR OWN RYAN REPORTS.
IF YOU’RE HURTING IN A VACUUM OF DESPAIR, THIS FILM MIGHT PROVIDE SOME GOOD AND WELCOME – IF TEMPORARY – RELIEF.
IT MIGHT EVEN GIVE OUR POLITICIANS SOME IDEAS. THE WORD “TRUSTEES” SNAPS OUT OF IT LIKE A WHIP!
Geraldine, the government could not care less end of story. They are all waiting for us all to die off. End of story. They will stand by,and support The Religious , No Matter What The Cost. Of that , you can be Assured.
I was thinking when was it that any Irish Government looked after Irish people?????????FIRST,generation after Generation have been forced one way or another to emigrate by incompetent Government ,what sort of government allowed million + to die of starvation, What sort of mindless uncaring governments allow the children and babies of the country (which are the future)to be Sentenced by a criminal court to detention into Brutal reformatories , It just beggers belief. What sort of government holds secret meetings when the Religious Orders agree to pay their child victims proper compansation .Great and Just >Hold on, the government then decide among themselves at their secret meetings to keep that money and set up A Statuary Trust Fund held by the government and no doubt greedy government lawyers rubbing their hands , then government Administratiors for that trust All getting FAT RICH on it , while the victims are told they can have councelling and an education course .both of which can be got for FREE if wanted ,though most victims are over 60 and most live in different parts of the world and want JUSTICE and proper compansation paid to each victim ,Most victims Don’t want to be dictated to by So called Groups who use the victims names on their lists SO THEY SECURE FUNDING FOR THEMSELVES ONLY, thats all they care about they are already surported by the government This Statuary Trust Fund idea is the governments way of NOT passing the money on to the Victims, What sort of government does that???A NASTY GREEDY ONE.
This week I gave a Talk on my Book to 160 people Men an Women. It still amazes me to learn how many people across the board who have little or not knowledge of what happened in Ireland. I spoke for an hour including taking questions. You could hear a pin drop. Needless to say I was emotionally drained, this is a job that needs doing. I get great satisfaction out of this. Infoming the ignorant or naieve about the Holy Religious in Ireland. I had every ones attention throughout. There was only one person in the audience a woman who showed support for the Religious. I wondered if perhaps she was a Nun. She doubted me when I said I had not had an Education as she put it “You sound well educated and well turned out” to which I replied this was down to my Mother and genes and the example she set, certainly not the Religious as they taught us Domestic Violence and distrust of every one by their example.
I have another two Talks this coming week. I also remind my audience of the Paedophile Christian Brothers and their horrific abuse on innocent young boys.
Kathleen O’Malley.
Support Paddy’s Petition Against the Statutory Fund @ http://bit.ly/gzXDt4
Minister O’Keefe (Batty) is the guy who said the State can’t do a thing about the Magdalene Laundries saga because these laundries were private institutions and the nuns were employers and the incarcerated women were employees. That from a Government that moved heaven and earth to help the banks (private institutions) indeed this Government has beggared this generation and the next generation all on account of the banks!
After Reading this
“Either officials in the Department are members of secret societies such as the Knights of St. Columbanus and Opus Dei and have taken it upon themselves to protect the interests of these clerical orders at this point in time in this year of 2009 or, alternatively, the Minister is politically incompetent and incapable of managing the Department of Education and Science”
“I do not believe the Minister, Deputy O�Keeffe, is a bad man. I do not believe he is a Catholic right-wing secret obscurantist but many of the people working for him on a permanent salary – he will be gone in a couple of years – most certainly are or else they are incompetent, lazy and destructive.”
There will be no Justice for Survivors through the Irish Parliament or Judicial Process!!!!
http://bit.ly/gbnA8e
How can you tell if a politician is lying>>he open’s his or her mouth
I refuse to hide my own name ;I am no longer afraid of the BULLY’s.
IT Beggers belief how any government in a so called civilised country could allow babies and young children to be dragged into court and treated as criminals ,put before judges who carried out the sentence that the children be sentenced to detention for the rest of their childhood into Industrial Reformatories (which were prisons) and the government knowing full well how sadistic and harsh those places were yet continued to turn a blind eye to the children’s sadistic mistreatment and total neglect. words fail me.what sort of people were they its All Totally Insane
WHO THE HELL ARE THESE SO CALLED GROUP LEADERS ??????LETS US ALL SEE THE LIST OF SURVIVORS NAMES YOU SAY YOU HAVE ON YOUR LIST .OR WOULD YOU RATHER HIDE UP THE BACKSIDE OF THE GOVERNMENT.
We as babies and young children sentenced to detention into child Industrial Reformatorys WERE and still ARE the Government and Chatholic Church’s DIRTY LITTLE SECRET. the cowards that they are in order they could hide and wash their dirty hands of the guilt they allowed a whole industry to spring up and threw huge funding at them to set up what they though a great Idea SO CALLED SERVICES FOR VICTIMS run by self appointed Group leaders who had no experence of dealing with Trauma Victims ,who have been known to behave like the Bullies who abused us in the Reformatories the government knowing this would NEVER WORK. but kept giving large funding with so far NO account as to Just what all the funding was spent on or on whome or where on WHAT . while the real Victims still suffer in many countries ,alone, sick, many Homeless ,abroad and in Ireland ? so where are all the millions those groups recieved ?????OPEN ALL THEIR BOOKS SO WE the Victims know where all the millions have gone down to the last EURO .If the Government wanted us to dissappear when it came to the attention of the media years ago they should have allowed each Victim to be heard in a court of law with Judges from several different Religions and awarded each Victim proper Due compansation in the first place .that way we the VICTIM’s at least would have had some form of Justice. But the Silly way the Government misshandled the situation caused further Abuse to the Victims who HAVE NOT HAD JUSTICE.now those group self appointed are clammering with the Bad Government (Mrs M Coughlan ) to keep the SURVIVORS RIGHTFUL COMPANSATION in the Government Statuary Trust Fund held by government telling Victims we can have councelling whem most of us have had that FREE in the countries where we live . they say we the Victims can get an education course ??THEY should have educated us as children in the first place, No they just want to hold on to Survivors rightful compansation and use it for what they want for their benifit ONLY ,>so called Group Leaders involved with so called services for survivors want this Statuary Trust JUST so that they keep recieving Large Funding FOR THEMSELVES and their large offices ,I HEAR these people ATTENDED >SECRET MEETINGS WITH THE GOVERNMENT TO KEEP THIS STATUARY TRUST FUND HOW DARE THEY , FOR THEIR OWN BENIFIT AND BANK ACCOUNTS .THEY SHOULD BE ASHAMED .THEY JUMPED INTO BED WITH With sweaty lawyers and politicians all of whome have behaved toward the Real Survivors like tyrants and BULLIES. NO TO THE STATUARY TRUST FUND? GIVE THE MONEY TO THE VICTIMS >NOT TO GROUPS TO HIDE BEHIND; I have never used nor belong to any Group nor had any help, Information, nor Advice of any kind from any of those Groups or so called services. My name should NOT be on anyones list to secure funding >Only Paddy Doyle and Kathleen O’Malley have permission to be my spokes person.HAPPY NEW YEAR
Hi Pauline.
I agree. This is why I WOULD stipulated no SECRET MEETINGS OR DEALS.
You must also put forward your recomendations and suggestions.
Kathleen O’Malley.
A Xmas tree will be set up daily at the G.P.O Dublin over the festive period in rememberance of ALL victims of clerical abuse in Ireland.We are asking that u send a signed Xmas card please,which will be placed on this tree.
Address card to….
Victims of Clerical Abuse Ireland
27 Whiteacre Place
Ballymun
Dublin 9
I am sure you and paddy wont forget that its supposed to be about all of us including us who live abroad.
Hi Kay, Gabrielle and friends.
Thank you for your support.
I have written on Shame of Ireland.
Hopefully the opportunity will arise for both Paddy and I to represent fellow suffers or Survivors.
My Agenda will be for one and all.
There will be no SECRET MEETINGS where DEALS are agreed.
Survivors will be informed before any decisions are agreed upon.
There are still many of us who still have “CRIMINAL CONVICTIONS” they must be expunged and should never have been. How stupid is the Irish Government to have allowed this to continue. It only goes to show how insignifient we have been to them. They have got that wrong also.
Injustice has gone on for far to long.
We need to know what the Government and Cori are hatching.
I will work for one and all, as my frustration and hurt is the same as yours.
I do not sit on the FENCE.
Kathleen O’Malley.
Hi to all
Please use link below to vote for Paddy Doyle to represent “Survivors”
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/mandate-for-paddy-doyle-to-represent-survivors/
Nominations have also started for Kathleen O’Malley to act alongside Paddy, both to act on our behalf to be “Our Voice” in all dealings with the Irish Government!
To vote Please visit ‘Shame of Ireland’ using the following link
http://shameofireland.co.uk/forum/topics/nominations-for-spokesperson?
Many Thanks Kay
Hi Tommy,
The Petition to get the TRust Fund Disolves is still live! You can find it @
http://bit.ly/9hjMlC
I am seeking adviceas to whether or not to get this extended (if the petition site will allow) as it runs out at the end of the year?
Don’t forget when you sign it will sent you a link that you have to “CLICK” to confirm your vote.
PS type you email address carefully
DISBAND ALL GROUPS ,AND PAY THE VICTIMS COMPENSATION.
What the Hell are they on about?Dept of Education and skills ??whats Barnardos got to do with Survivors of Irish Industrial Schools??Its strange but a couple of months ago I looked up the Jarvis centre and on the site it said >Irish Council of Imam’s <at the Jarvis centre ,I tried to find it again it looks like it's been taken off ,I hope survivors rightful compansation has not been sidelined to funding help or education parhaps english lessons ?I hope not.someone should look into where the funding is and has gone,To my Knowledge the REAL SURVIVORS have not availed of any so called Services,and 99% have not used any services from any of those so called groups,many Real survivors have Died,many are SICK, many are living abroad ,Austraila, Canada, France,Germany< MARY COUGHLAN ITS TO LATE <THE Government should have educated us when we were children.They keep on about Education and skills just to Insult and cause us survivors more Trauma.We survivors worked SLAVE LABOUR throughout our childhoods and made the Church and Government very Rich indeed .This statuary TRUST fund the government wants IS A CON.They are robbing the VICTIMS.
Brilliant Paddy, you’ve made my day, having a good old giggle to myself…. Kay
“The older the fiddle the sweeter the tune Kay”. Paddy.
Hi Jimmy, Glad to be of help, Paddy has also helped me on this too, I use very high magnification (due to sight issues) so I have to slide backward and forward so missed the search box, but will use it in future!
I simply went to my posts received, and used google search, we are all still learning Jimmy, but as oldies aren’t we doing well ?!!!
Best Regards Kay
Jimmy, there is a search box on the top right hand corner of the front page of this website. To find a comment, type in words relevant to what you want and you will get a list of comments. If I can be of help, please let me know. Paddy.
Thanks Kay for your help, like other’s here, I sometimes miss out on exactly where certain comment’s are, and under what link. Still learning me way round this pc gadget! lol.
Keep well
Jimmy.
To Granny1.
You have brought memories back and tears to my eyes. (and I am expecting friends for dinner), this is a very brief reply, I felt the need to answer you. The government and Group Leaders were no better than Judas. Feeding information to us they were paid to deliver. How interesting the money paid out by the Redress Board was named an “Award” not compensation. The horse has now bolted. The Religious and Vatican have now admitted GUILT. I will continue tomorrow. Please let me have your name. Then I respect Granny1. I dare say you are no 1. Granny to your Grandchildren.
Kathleen. (O’Malley).
Kathleen,no human being could spend their childhood the shocking way we as babies and young children were forced into by the Irish State they are RESPONSIBLE for the DAMAGE caused to us they imprisoned us on trumped up charges in the CRIMINAL COURT totally depriving us of our liberties mostly on charges of being destitute which was in numerous cases UNTRUE,many families had lost their fathers fighting in WW1 and WW2 the widows and children were HATED by the IRISH STATE for being in the British Army ,Those MEN had NO choice in many cases it was the only job they could get so they could feed and look after their families,my parents separated my mother left Ireland my Daddy was in the Army we his children were forced from his care he applied to the court to get us back home THE STATE REFUSED HIS REQUEST >ILLEGALLY<EVEN THOUGH HE HAD HIS OWN HOUSE,as for those so called funded services for survivors they were set up by the State to wash their own dirty hands of any RESPONSIBILITY KNOWING WE ARE ALL DAMAGED INCLUDING THOSE WHO CALL THEMSELVES GROUP LEADERS LIKE MRS BUCKLEY who went on to a huge power trip,forgetting there are Damaged survivors who were also in goldenbridge at the same time as her many have died or live ABROAD not in IRELAND,so WHY is she so keen on her education statuary fund ,TRUST?so she can get more funding no other reason that I can see,did the so called self appointed group leaders go TO THE HIGH COURT????And were properly compensated? We must be COMPENSATED into our own bank accounts ,as though all of us had gone to the high court ,we were NOT given any advice NOR ANY LEGAL ADVICE,BUT HERDED INTO THE RB TO BE INSULTED AND FRIGHTENED AND TRAUMATISED ,I don't and have not used or even being offered any help whatsoever from any of them ,they didn’t want to know when I contacted them years ago to seek help in tracing my siblings I went to the SALVATION ARMY,AS FOR EDUCATION they should have educated us when we were children,its to late now WE DON’T NEED IT NOW, i got FREE computer lessons in the library, I also went on a course FREE years ago ,they are just trying it on to CON us again ,we must not stand for it and not be BULLIED any more.
Rob.
This is so true.
Many of us are still hurting due to the gross injustice by both the Government and Religious. Sadly this shows when heated discussions take place, the abused attack the abused. We must unite and show the enemy we are united and work as one. Then we will have won.
Kathleen O’Malley.
Hi Jimmy, your vote has been registered and showing on the petition, will look into the confirmation email asap
Regards Kay
Hi Angry,
I am sure that Michael O’Brien regreted the lost opportunity that letting his heart rule his head cost him and the Right of Peace? (although I do not know? or speak on his behalf!)
What would do the “Cause” a great deal of good if there was not so much hostility the he himself could feel comfortable in joinining in this debate and we could unite against the Common Enemy?
The Government has spent millons on Survivors Group to create these Divisions!
Which is in my opinion why the wont investigate where the money went?
For if they did they would have to revist so many decisions at which Survivors were misrepresented, ALL the way back to 2002???
Hi Kay, signed the petition yesterday,it did not register and i did not get an email, so signed again today, still no email? Is it still having problem’s?
Jimmy.
If Michael O Brien was speaking for me, sleep would be hard to come by. If he IS representing survivors (doubtful), coming to a negotiating table, wracked by emotion, and lacking experience of self restraint, having no grasp of the fact that it`s language which delivers EVIDENCE and calling the Taoiseach a “GOBSHITE” does NOT in any man`s language imbue Michael O Brien as a “representative” for survivors whose interests were ABANDONED by O Brien as he stormed out of that meeting. Dealing with the highest political leader in the land, the Taoiseach, is somewhat different from “Mayoral” duties, ensuring the streets and drains are clear, and that bus`s run on time etc, etc, that sort of thing which local parish pump politics are best suited for.
Hi Jimmy and all those who have signed the
PETITION, there was a technical problem which is now fixed, so if you did’t receive an email to say you had signed then will you please sign again, sorry!!!
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/mandate-for-paddy-doyle-to-represent-survivors/
Regards Kay
Thank’s Rob, for putting the link here, just hope folk will sign up now, and give Paddy all the Support we can ,as he has done for us down the year’s!
Jimmy.
Paddy has Just been Nominated to be a Spokes Person for the “Shame of Ireland”
http://shameofireland.co.uk/opensocial/ningapps/show?appUrl=http%3A%2F%2Fgadgets.sapplica.com%2Fvoxbox%2Fvoxbox.xml%3Fning-app-status%3Dnetwork&owner=0h6ntq5tx6jjq
You have to register to take part in the activities of the Shame of Ireland!
Nominations are open to others?
Hi Jimmy, the link appear bellow
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/mandate-for-paddy-doyle-to-represent-survivors/
I have “Deep Reservations” about running this election outside the confines of a distinct Membership because the Numbers Represented can go up as well as down so can be challenged by anyone at any time?
The Difficulty of Canvassing opinion on specific issues, where not all those Represented agree? We are then in a “because I say so” situation and I for one would never want to put Paddy in that position??
In light of this I feel that my supporting this Petition at the present Moment would do Paddy a great disservice!
Mr. O’Brien’s exact words at a meeting were “I speak for all people who were abused while in institutions. Who gave him that mandate? I didn’t. Of course he’s entitled to speak for his own followers. Nobody in their right mind would deny that. Paddy.
Hi Folk’s, filed under NEW’S, in the link to “UNANSWERED QUESTION’S” , Kay has set up the petition for the mandate to enable us to have Paddy as our Spokesperson and Representative. I have just signed,
Best wish’s
Jimmy.
Judging by a lot of the comments on the site i felt i had to write my opinion.
A lot of people are asking Who gave Mr Michael o Brien Permission to speak for them, and who gave him a Mandate to do so.
Who said Mr O Brien is speaking for them? Mr O Brien has his own following, and members, Who he speaks for, and is quite entitled to speak for.
He does Not, need permission from everyone of us to go to The Government, or indeed The Religious Orders for talks, on whatever he thinks will benefit the Group he represents. His group gives him that Mandate.
I cannot understand why so many people are under the Opinion that he is speaking on everyones behalf. Mr O Brien was under no obligation to tell anyone what he was doing, when he said he was going to The Government for talks. He was doing so with the Consent of his own group. who Mandated him to do same.
Im sure if you asked Mr O Brien to speak on your behalf, he would be more than happy to do so. He does Not want a Trust Fund, just like the Majority of us Survivors.
There are a lot of Different groups about. However they are all entitled to have who they want represent them, just like anyone else. Unfortunately, all Groups are not united as yet, and hopefully, eventually they all will be, Please God.
It’s very good of Paddy to allow us all the use of his Site, which is indeed a great asset to us all to voice our Opinions, and to have our say, and i wish to thank him yet again for the use of it.
I hope everyone sees the point i am trying to make here. I am not criticizing anyone, but trying to get people to see that, all groups are entitled to be represented by a person of their choice, and Mr O Brien is the Spokesperson for The Group, ( RIGHT OF PEACE )
These guys have been going to meetings all over the place. They met David Norris who is not a member of the Dáil but he is a very fine Senator. It was as I understand it, a breakfast meeting. If I’m wrong on any of this, please correct me. Paddy.
“He also serves who merely stands and waits”. If that’s true, then you could be standing a long time. Paddy.
Paddy you say if there is a God, all I can say is God help us all.
Seem’s many of the so called Rep’s have a saying with God in it !
“God help’s those, that help them selve’s”
jimmy
Email recieved this afternoon
“I have signed the petition m o brien”
I have asked for an update on yeaterdays meeting, and am waiting for a reply!
I have also asked that he asks Tom Hayes to sign and their Friends and Members, as a gesture to prove their intention to work with us and put the past divisions behind?
I have reminded Michael O’Brien that he will need to click on the confirmation email for his vote to count!
Using the shortened email address which I Monitor someone from Ireland did access the Petition priro to my reciept of the above!
Ever the Optimist!
Your Friend Rob
“TOGETHER WE ARE STRONGER!”
hi paddy i see your points . as far as im aware an email was sent to robert regarding this meeting .knowing he would pass on to us any info contained in said email . im starting to think which i hope im wrong is …is it a case of shoot the messenger here ?? .i know like you and many others robert is fighting on the same side as us .
up untill the said email none of us were aware of this meeting .
Hi Paddy,
Christy Heaphy signed the petition against the Statutory Fund some time ago.
Tom Hayes appears to have changed his mind about the Fund; the appearance of his and Michael O’Brien’s signatures; and an increase in number of other that they can influence will prove to me that they are moving along side us for the moment!
Their willingness to participate on this site or the Shame of Ireland would also show their current position.
If they do I hope that we can put the past behind and welcome them as equals in our common Aims?
“Show me a man who has never made a mistake and I will show you a man who has never tried?”
I will of course be seeking information as to the content and outcome of the discusion, and will share it.
As always your Friend Rob
PS. I am naive I believe we can WIN, but if we do not it will not be due to lack of effort!!
“TOGETHER WE ARE STRONGER”
Naivety is a word that comes to mind Rob. I’m not going to be drawn into a debate which involves people holding secret meetings, people claiming to represent people that never want to be represented by them. The same people are holding meetings with government and religious orders. Do you know what they’re talking about? If so perhaps you’d be kind enough to let me know and let all contributors to this website know. That’s the very least we all deserve. Paddy.
It’s quiet possible that the 58 members you have is 58 members more than many ‘representatives’ ‘leaders’ claiming to have the best interests of people who were abused at heart.
If there is a God all I can say, God Help Us All.
I am a supporter of the abused and having read the comments here it seems that the old treachery of the Vatican has already been carried out, the divide and conquer rule.
To my Friends,
The reason I was notified of this meeting is because Michael O’Brien had an email of mine forwarded to him, my only mention of him was that I was confused that Right Of Peace had not signed the Petition on the Statutory Fund.
He responded with the email I published which I thought was good news for the good of the cause!
I feel that in times gone by that we would not of been informed AT ALL! I think this is a change for the good?
I also feel that Michael O’Brien and the other members of the Right of Peace will be more consultative in the future?
One positive outcome is that Michael O’Brien has said that he will support the Petition on the Statutory Fund and send it to his Members!
I have sent an open invitation to Michael O’Brien, Tom Hayes and Christy Heapy and their supporters to join the Shame of Ireland, and take part in the Democratic process we are establishing.
We have a Membership of 58 (2 more since this discussion started).
We have discussed Mandated representation before!
I will put up the aims and objective of the Shame of Ireland to be voted on tomorrow. (although I was waiting for a core Membership of 100 to make us credible???)
My advice to you on this is to recruit more Members?
At the same time I will reopen Nominations so that Paddy and Kate can reaffirm their commitment, and that others may be nominated?
Then we Vote!
I trust that this meets with your approval and that ALL Members take part in the adoption of the Aims and Objectives!
And that ALL Members take part in the Vote for Mandated Spokes people!
Regards Rob
Agree with you Paddy, big time! And with you Seanie, ta for the kind word’s, like you, just giving my opinion, and getting angry by the day with the crap that is going on , with these group’s, and those that are speaking behind our back’s to the Government
TDs . Secret meeting,s and the mind boggle’s, why these three? Are they now the wise one’s, knowing the crap has hit the fan, suddenly trying to redeem themselve’s?
Andrew has a good point, “Nothing about us ,Without us” what happened to that?
Would not be surprised to see them self elected three, be off to the Vatican next, to pick up their Brownie point’s from yer man at the top, for service’s rendered to the R/C/Church!
Rob, how come you were only notified at the last minute, of the meeting? Why was it only those 3 who were invited? There were far more at the meeting in April last!
And i cant understand why mr o brien would be invited after his outburst at the
Taoseach last April!
Thank’s for letting folk know Rob, about this mysterious meeting, but please know that these are men who are right up there with the Church and the HSE.
The comment’s on this site make that so obvious.
The Religious need to be seriously exposed now, for their insult to injury, in making the Government control their Contribution’s to ALL Survivor’s by way of the Proposed Trust Fund. Seem’s it was the brainwave of the Religious, a very SICK and disgusting way to further ABUSE the already very badly damaged folk who had the misfortune to experience passing through their Gulag’s of Holy Feckin Ireland!
Jimmy.
The history of these people is:
to hold secret meetings about US
to discuss issues of concern to US
to decide issues about US without US
And these meetings are ALWAYS ALWAYS with the very people complicit in the abuses and complicit in the cover-up of the abuses.
Paddy,
If Kay would set up a petition to nominate you to a mandate to represent me or us, I would be very grateful.
Seanie
None of the people you refer to in your comment have a mandate to speak on my behalf or on behalf of many people who write to this website. The fact of the matter is that neither you nor I or anyone else other than those attending meetings with members of the Dáil know what goes on at these meetings. Time and time again I’ve asked Mr. O’Brien and Mr. Hayes to produce the number of people they represent. They’ve always found an excuse not to reveal such information. One can’t help but wonder about the secrecy. Bear in mind that it is on secrecy that abuse thrives. For anyone to stand up at a formal meeting with the government and call our Taoiseach a “Gobshite” is not someone that should be represent anyone. Any point can be made without hurling abuse – not it seems when it comes to some of our so called “representatives”. FOR THE LAST TIME. NEITHER OF THE PEOPLE MENTIONED IN YOUR COMMENT HAVE A RIGHT TO SPEAK FOR ME. You might ask contributors to this website to they want such people to hold secret meetings discussing it appears, the future of people who were abused while in the care of religious orders and the State. Time for a dose of reality. Paddy.
Paddy, I am somewhat bemused at being represented at a chit chat with anyone let alone the Dail by Mr. Hayes or Christy. I am not a member of any group, I wrote to the Govt. myself and gave them my personal point of view, thanks to information from Jimmy Moy, a fine man and I consider a friend. I did not speak for anyone else, just myself. My note to Mr. Hayes who should be reading this site daily is; you have my full authority to speak for yourself and if Christy has given you permission to speak for him, good luck. I have sent the Education Board education receipts for a couple of my granddaughters education expenses which is in the thousands up to now and am waiting to see if they respond before adding the rest of the grandchildrens receipts which will be followed by the great grandchildrens future claims, I have three children six grandchildren and up to now three great grandchildren. It would be cheaper for the Dail to wash their hands of any trust fund altogether, disband all these groups and the funding to them, like all on this site say. I was in contact by e-mail with Tom Hayes until I touched a raw nerve, he stopped corresponding ? Also Michael Waters of SOCA and he also snubbed me when I asked how many members he had ?. I investigated a guy who hired me to find a mother and her two children some years ago and seeing priests being sentenced to a few years for abuse gives me a headshaking bout. I refused a retainer from this guy when we met at a MacDonalds over a coffee, I told him I would accept it when I located them. I did shortly after find them in the Lower Mainland of BC. I checked with the RCMP to see if this guy was related, he was not, he had the woman and the children renting a house where he had spy holes in their bedroom and also a camera, he and his girlfriend who was 19 at the time drug them and they filmed them sexually abusing the children. I seen to it that they got lifetime, “they will never walk amongest innocents again”, they are classed as dangerous offenders here in Canada and that is not being sentenced to a few years for the foul deeds, its forever. So to the priests and Nuns I would apply the same.
I am an ex munster man and totally disagree with Mossie, no more groups we already have about ten and look at what they have done, “O” Good luck Mossie.
Seanie in Arizona.
Yes indeed Paddy.another meeting and we only find out about it when or after it happens.
Whatever happened to: Nothing About Us Without US? It seems Mr O’Brien & Mr Hayes are addicted to meetings – especially if it’s meetings over our heads and out of our sight.
Are they meeting the IMF I wonder?
Who are both of these people accountable to? Where did they receive their mandate – and from whom? Mr O’Brien, Fianna Fail stalwart, is perhaps trying out some new clothes now that Fianna Fail have been found out.
Mr Hayes is very proud of the fact that he gave time and space on his website to a former De La Salle Christian Brother – who spends most of his time denigrating survivors, supporting Sister Callida and proclaiming the innocence of Fr. Paul Shanley.
Hi Paddy,
I thought it was courteous of Michael O’Brien to inform us of what his intentions are; albeit at the last moment; Right to Peace is Autonomous at the moment and can act independently, if he had consulted people on this site then he would be able to speak more clearly and Authoritatively?
I for one am pleased that someone who is in his Political position and has the ear of other Politicians is of the same opinion in stopping a Trust Fund that the majority of contributors to this site do not want.
I was also encouraged to see that Tom Hayes who up until this point has said that the Trust Fund was going ahead and there was nothing anyone can do; has decided that he too does not want this heinous Fund.
As for Mandate we have had many discussions about developing a Mandate and using the Shame of Ireland as a vehicle for this?
Membership on the main website Stands at 56 and will be growing as this news breaks it is a matter of time before we will be able reopen this discussion?
Your Friend Rob
Who gave ‘Right of Peace’ a mandate to “fight for all monies”? I presume minutes of these meetings are kept somewhere, either by the government of by Mr. O’Brien, Mr. Hayes or Christy. Who are the members of the Dáil Eireann they are meeting on the 18th of November 2010? I don’t think it’s unfair to say “I am not working for survivors, Michael O’Brien”. The reality is Sir that you have not been given any mandate by me to speak to ANYONE on my behalf or as far as I can see from comments to this website, to speak on behalf of anyone. God help me, I thought we lived in a democracy!! Wrong again, more a dictatorship it seems to me. Paddy.
I received the message below last night!
“Right to Peace have, and still continue to fight, for all monies giving to the Government must be shared amongst the survivors as a matter of fact, I, Tom Hayes, and Christy, are meeting with members of Dail Eireann tomorrow the18th Nov 2010 to call on them, and asking them to call the government to give all monies to the survivors, and that is only one of many meetings that I have arranged. So it is unfair to say I am not working for survivors. Michael O Brien”
Thought you all might like to know that there is a “NEW” petition; The title is
“Transparency, Proof & Accountability Of Funding Bodies & Child Abuse Support Groups”
@ http://bit.ly/dpPhkO
A bit long winded, but I think it explains itself?
I have no idea of it’s origin but have signed it and wish them well!
Regards Rob
It was good to see justice caught up with a paedophile priest last week in the UK,when he was sent to prison for 21 year’s, even at the age of 73. This was down to British justice and the good work of a reporter,who tracked him down and got him back to the UK to face the music.
This prompts me to ask why the same justice cannot be exercised by the Irish Government or the Irish police?
Among my abuser’s, to this day ,their are two who are still alive, living in retirement ,one in Canada, and the other in Dundalk. They were Brother’s at the industrial school in 1955, but are now retired Priest’s.Being kept in comfort , with pension’s , by the Vatican.
Despite much corroboration by many to their respective legal people, of the offences against Children by these Priest’s, they were never brought to face justice. I doubt they are the only two.
When i asked why my abuser’s were not brought to justice, various reason’s were given, the statute of limitation act’s, their old age’s, their mental state and their health! NEVER MIND ABOUT MINE, AND THAT OF HUNDRED’S MORE ,LIKE ME, IN THE SAME BOAT!
I might add , that both my abuser’s were given copies of my allegation’s against them, and of course denied them, yet declined to come and face me at the RIRB,
WHICH I REQUESTED! Men who were abused in the same way by these two, made statement’s to their legal people and the Police, which proves the allegation’s were the truth, i do not know who these men ARE, they are all over the world now, possibly, and could have been at that institution the same time as me, or before my time, or after my time! So there is indeed good reason why these , and every other clerical paedophile , should face Justice, no matter how old they are!
No doubt the R/C/Church is taking good care of these DIRTY OLD MEN , in their elder year’s.
I would like to believe that what goes round ,comes round , but i doubt it will happen given the attitude of the Irish Government, who , just like the R/C/Church
indeed have a lot to answer for.
We were abused in these institution’s,and again by the Government with the sham of the RIRB, AND NOW FINALLY, BY THE GOVERNMENT IN DENYING THE SHARING OUT OF THE CONTRIBUTION’S MADE BY THE RELIGIOUS!
I would be interested in knowing how many other victim’s out there are in this situation of knowing their abuser’s were never charged, have got away scot free, and are still alive!
JIMMY.
Hi Paddy, can you please explain why my posting yesterday was removed?Whatever the reason, i would like to know, as i dont feel i put anything offensive in it, just making a comment, which the subject was of concern to me, and i would imagine, many here!
Regard’s ,Jimmy
Rob, I’m sure your apology will be accepted by the many visitors to this website who were in Magdalene Laundries. Thank you. Paddy.
Dear Paddy, other Friends and Survivors of the Magdalene Laundries!
I appologies unreservedly for any offense my already sent email will or may have caused.
They are fellow Survivors and I have been promoting their cause along side our own.
I have also asking Members of the “Shame of Ireland” to include their fight for Justice in our “Aims and Objectives”.
My Heart is in the right place?
Had I known that the abreviation which I shall not repeat would cause offense then I would not have used it!
I failed to post a copy of my email calling for Unity as it appear in a (6th October)post above; and forgot to post to that effect.
I did however post either side of the above email? Which appear to have not been recieved??
Your Friend Rob
Rob, just for the record. Might I suggest you re-write your piece and not refer to women who were incarcerated in Magdalene Laundries as “Maggies”. This is a derogatory term in the eyes of many if not all of these women and should not be used in any circumstances. I trust you will understand and respect the wishes of these women who have been so through so much and continue to go through so much.. Paddy.
From: Robert Northall [mailto:rob.northall@ntlworld.com]
Sent: 18 October 2010 18:09
To: ‘kathleen.lynch@oireachtas.ie’
Subject: Your Support?
Dear Kathleen,
I have today read your contribution to the Dáil debate; Thursday, 7 October 2010 via http://www.kildarestreet.com/debate/?id=2010-10-07.155.0&c=297#c297 I can only commend you for your support of the “Maggies”! They have a worthy and just cause!
The Consultation Mary Coughlan Refers to is with Government Paid Representatives of Survivors Right of Place “Et All” I understand that Noel Barry is no longer in residence however the Per Capita Funding that they Use as their mandate is still in Place?
This I believe is part of the Moral Bankruptcy of the Government; I hope that you don’t think that I am making Light but the Magdalene’s are in quite a strong position The R.IR.B. Act took advantage of the situation at the time and paid lip service to Compensation, Michael Woods assured his place in Heaven by protecting the Catholic Churches Breach of Contact over the care of Children! (Had the Irish Government sued on this alone and had ALL the Monies Refunded there might have been a better Deal for Survivors of the Industrial School System?).
It is a matter of time before they will have to admit culpability!
The depravation of the Human Rights of the Maggies in the European Court of Human Rights would be an excellent Publicity Vehicle? And may bring additional pressure to bear?
The only reason that they started investigating the Industrial Schools is because they wanted to join Europe! Other than this who knows; the institutions may still be running??
The Survivors of the Industrial Schools have 2 problems
1. They have been dealt with! And signed an agreement to that end!!!
2. They have been Represented by Right Of Place “ET ALL” So their voice was ignored for years!
These People hold lists that I cannot access; we are under 50 in membership at the moment but growing slowly?
All the Support organisations are “Jealously Guarding” their Government Cash, WE are divided by what unites US! The Government have used their funding Wisely!!
God Bless the Struggle of the Maggies!
I hope that will not make the same mistakes that have befallen the Survivors of the Industrial Schools?
It leaves such a bitter taste!
The Shame of Ireland is currently under development; we are testing “Live Voting” The first “Live Vote” is
I Agree with Adding the Survivors of the Magdalene Laundries to the Shame Of Ireland Objectives?
When I first started on YahooGroups they were not included, when I moved to Facebook I added them; now we have our own site I need the Members to vote to accept the change and to ”VOTE” adopt the Aims and Objective I have foisted upon them!
Democracy is hard work, But we will get there!
I gave Fergus O’Dowd the opportunity to embarrass Brian Cowen and Mary Coughlan over unanswered correspondence from Survivors; As far as I am aware he has not taken this opportunity?
If you feel that you would like to step where “Angels Fear to Tread” I can forward you Correspondence that will show them for what they are; it also shows so called “Survivors Groups” in their true light!
If you would like to know anymore about the “Shame of Ireland” or embarrass Brian Cowen (not that he needs any help)?
Please let me know?
Yours Sincerely
Rob Northall
Founder of the “Shame of Ireland”
I do not represent anyone as we can not vote on “Spokes people” until we have a core membership worthy of not (i.e. 100).
When we do we will have what no other group can deliver “Representation Without Leadership”!
since i escaped from gb i had not been in ireland for many many years
.the only contact i have been able to establish is on this site . even trying to get copys of photos is impossable. yet people who run these associations have photos but wont send copys So you could say i dont even know ireland . nor do i know who is hss. i know thay are using our names but how to stop this i dont know since we are ignored by them
.
So is anyone in the know as to when the statutory fund will be discussed in the Dail OR will it be rushed through secretly
Pauline, The removal of names from the database held by so called representatives is important as this is what they exsist for is the “MONEY” these names provide! Maybe the HSE is a good place to start? As Right od Place will not answer the phone! I have sent emails to other groups asking for UNITY but have had no reply! Will post a copy of my Email here!
Kathleen.
Well said. Ireland is incapable of uniting anyone.
one just has to look at how the Government has run the Country, so much assistance given by the EEC, Businesses flocked to the Emerald Isle some years ago, where are they now.
A lession to be learnt from Chile. Will they learn from it. Don’t think so.
Kathleen.
i would not know who to contact to have my name removed from any lists on which i might be listed as i dont have a rep. i have had no contact from any of these groups. Marys letter is a very good example of how things work . i dident know who to contact so i contacted the soliciters but what i needed a barrester for i still dont know.thay are the winners . And thats very unfair.
paddy watching televison yesterday chile miners rescuded one by one what a joy for them and there families god bless them all the chilean government will look after them and rightly so sixty nine days in the dark so it left me thinking seventeen years i was in the dark and still wearing dark glasses what did the goverment ever do for me a big fat NOTHING
Mary, there is little I can say. We all feel your pain.
When will Minister Mary Coughlan, sit up and take note.
This is yet another very sad story. Each time I read comments like this, it reminds me of my Childhood. I still question how human beings could be so evil towards Children. (Forget about them being Religious). The knock on effect is devastaking. such destruction.
We are not going away Minister, it would be wise of you to take note.
The Criminal Records should also be Expunged by Law. They were imposed on innocent young Children.
Kathleen O’Malley.
HI JAMES, WILL SEND YOU A QUICK NOTE FOR NOW, TILL I GET AN EMAIL ADDRESS.
YES I CAN SEE WHERE YOU ARE HAVING DIFFICULTY CONTACTING THE RIGHT OF PLACE OFFICES AT PRESENT. THEY WILL ONLY ANSWER WHEN IT SUITS THEM. I HAVE HAD A LOT OF COMPLAINTS FROM SURVIVORS, COMPLAINING ABOUT NOT BEING ABLE TO CONTACT THE OFFICES.
NO ONE KNOWS AT THIS POINT, JUST WHAT ON EARTH IS GOING ON IN THE OFFICES IN LOWER GLANMIRE ROAD, AND A SHADOW OF DOUBT IS HANGING OVER ITS VERY EXISTENCE
THESE ARE THE SO CALLED PEOPLE WHO CLAIM TO REPRESENT SURVIVORS, AND THEY WONT EVEN ANSWER THEIR PHONES. I WONDER WHY???? COULD THEY INDEED HAVE SOMETHING TO HIDE??? I WONDER??
IF YOU ARE INDEED GOING TO ASK TO HAVE YOUR DETAILS REMOVED FROM RIGHT OF PLACE DATA-BANK JIMMY, OR WHO EVER INTENDS DOING THE SAME, I WOULD STRONGLY ADVISE THAT YOU GIVE YOUR APPLICATION TO WHOEVER LEADS YOUR GROUP, OR YOUR REPRESENTATIVE, BECAUSE BY SENDING YOUR APPLICATION INTO NOEL BARRY,S OFFICES, HE IS LIKELY TO PUT IT INTO THE BIN, IN MY OPINION, AND WILL SAY HE NEVER RECEIVED IT.
GIVE IT TO YOUR REP, AND HAVE IT BROUGHT INTO THE OFFICES, AND HANDED PERSONALLY TO MR BARRY, ALSO ASK FOR A RECEIPT FROM HIM STATING THAT INDEED IT WAS DONE, AND HAVE HIM SIGN IT.
TAKE CARE JIMMY. MOSSIE.
We were all told we had to have the Solicitor recomended for us ,well I couldn’t afford to pay for one but i believed what I was told ,we were used to having to do as we were told which lived with us through our lives .That Fear is still there .that Statuary Trust fund is just another CON,
The daily Torture and suffering I was forced to endure as a very young child until I reached 16 when I was transported on by the Nuns to work in a convent which had a small hospital attached I was given the job as a cleaner not one of the Nuns spoke to me except to tell me to clean this or that now,I was WARNED if I didn’t do my job properly I would be sent to The Magdalen in Wexford ,I didn’t know my Brother was transported from an Industrial child prison in the country to Artane when he reached 10 years old he had been sentenced at the age of Two we had not had any contact since we were sentenced in court to detention I was so traumatized by the suffering and Abuse during my childhood all I could think of was escaping my situationafter a year or so I had a visit from an Uncle ,I didn’t know at the time had gone looking for he had already made a complant years before on a visit to the Industrial School and was shocked he had seen the whip marks I was black and blue from the beatings ,because he had complained he was banned from further visits ,But he now found me and took me out for the day ,so the Nuns thought and took me to the Ferry to England gave me an address to go to ,my adult life has been a difficult path ,I never once mentioned where I came from I totally reinvented myself ,I spent years seeing a Psychologist and a Psychiatrist and was dianosed with Post Traumatic Stress ,,Panic Attack’s,and other things I cant spell right now ,when I was going to a hearing about the abuse just before THE SOLICITORS IN DUBLIN ,Sent me a letter with an appointment they had arranged for me to see some Psychologist who I had never met nor heard of FOR ONE HOUR ,THIS PERSON HARDLY SPOKE TO ME during the hour >that was it the solicitors used that as my medical file at the RB where Insults were directed at me and snide cruel comments made about my Family and Background,I came away from RB Traumatized ,Sick,Lonley, Lost all the brutality came back in my mind and the nightmare menories have lived with me ever since distroying my life ,effecting my children and grandchildren ,The abuse I suffered at RB caused a nervious breakdown for which I have had treatment >FREE<I have had NO help whatsoever from any of the so called services NONE,My name should not be on anyone ones list to get funding.DONT FORGET ALL OF US AS CHILDREN ALSO SUFFERED spiritual damage.as well as LOSS OF SIBLINGS,ROOTS, FAMILY,IDENTITY,EDUCATION,ECT ECT,+ THEY GAVE US BABIES A CRIMINAL RECORD when we were marched or carried into COURT AND SENTENCED AS CRIMINALS,Both my grandfathers fought in WW1,My Father and his Brothers fought in WW2 the irish government punished us children for that.Punished our Families .
I agree with Kathleen 100%. My solicitor here in London was paid £1.1 million for representing survivors.
Not bad at our expense.
Paul.
when there are nuns and priests in prison for thier crimes, that is when we cas speak of whats best to do with the trust fund. Its only there for people such as christine buckley. She works for the oppressers and has done for a long time . its got to the point where she thinks and actes as if it was about her. that leaves the rest of us out in the cold . that is abusive.
Paddy hope your making good recovery after your spell in hospital.
would you be kind enough to pass on my email address to Mosse.
I did send an email to Patrick Doran , as he asked for same, but so far ,i have not heard from him.
Keep strong. Jimmy.
reading all the above where are the T Ds to support our cause ?
The Government and Religious at no time acknowledged their wrong doing, until the Reports were exposed.
Why did it take so long ?
Was it really necessary for Survivors (don’t mean to offend) to have had to engage Solicitor to prove our Stories. Then to attend the Redress Board and have a further grilling and HUMILIATION.
Who were the winners in this.? Certainly not us.
We did not require Legal Representation as the proof was there. Who profited by our enormous loss and very painful experiences, The solicitors.
A Trust fund will require Trustees to work this, therefore big salaries will be deducted from the coffers, once again more jobs for the boys. Give us what we want. The Government have all the information required on us, i.e. Names/Addresses etc.
What we want most is for Justice to be done and the Criminals in the Catholic Church to be Prosecuted. They should be hunted down,and taken to Court, like the Jewish people did to the Germans who murdered many thousands of Jewish people.
Kathleen O’Malley.
James, do you have an email, or phone number i can get you on Mossie.
HI JAMES, WILL REPLY TO YOU SHORTLY. BEST REGARDS, MOSSIE.
Hi Mosse, Removing our name’s from “RIGHT OF PLACE” is not exactly as easy as it should be. Their web page seem’s to have disappeared, and my attempt’s to phone them only resulted in dead line’s . You said in your post that Barry has only 8 week’s to go,but i would like to know , has he not gone already? It seem’s they have all gone, and mean’s to contact them are being either ignored or also gone!
However, their has been much reference to the fact that everything posted here on Paddy’s site, is being viewed by Government personnel, so i would hope they know by now that these various Group’s do not in fact represent the member’s they claim to have. Also in view of the investigation’s ongoing by the HSE and Gardai on the Funding and expense claim’s by ROP, and other Group’s making simular claim’s, i would hope that every step is taken by the Government to ensure no more of the money, intended for all victim’s , is given to these Group Leader’s!
It is without doubt another good reason for the Government to share out all the religious contribution’s between all that qualify for it, and abandon the idea of a Trust Fund, which , as so many here and in other place’s have indicated, will just bring more hardship and further abuse to all concerned, except those that have ulterior motive’s, and not giving two hoot’s about their so called member’s, will do everything to feather their own nest’s!
The overall indication’s are that the majority of folk want settlement to the entire issue, the contribution’s to be shared out equally, in a fair and just manner, that will allow folk to bring closure on this sad part of their live’s, and , in their elder year’s, enable them to get on with matter’s within their own family’s.
This is the only fair way for the Government to proceed, and it give’s them the opportunity to restore some of the respect that they have lost all over the last century.
The Religious have made some effort, by way of the contribution’s, now it is in the hand’s of the Government to do likewise, and give to the people, what the Religious want them to have.
Best Wish’s
JIMMY.
Well said Mossie.
Kathleen O’malley.
DAVID,
IN ANSWER TO YOUR COMMENT. I THINK THE GOVERNMENT AS YOU SAID WILL LIFT THEIR EYES TO HEAVEN, AT THE THOUGHT OF ANOTHER GROUP.
I COULD NOT AGREE WITH THIS COMMENT AT ALL. I’M SURE THE GOVERNMENT WOULD BE RUBBING THEIR HANDS TOGETHER, WITH GLEE SAYING, LOOK AT THEM, THEY CANT EVEN AGREE AMONG THEMSELVES.
IT IS IN THE GOVERNMENT’S INTEREST, TO KEEP THE SURVIVORS APART, AND ARGUING AMONG THEMSELVES, THAT WAY THEY WONT WANT TO TALK TO US, AS WE ARE NOT UNITED, AND SCATTERED EVERYWHERE.
WE ALL NEED TO UNITE UNDER (1) SPEAKER, AND THE SOONER THE BETTER. THE WAY WE ARE GOING, SUITS THE GOVERNMENT VERY WELL. THEY WANT TO KEEP US ALL DIVIDED, AND APART. ITS COMMON SENSE.
THATS WHY MR BARRY, AND COUNTERPART, BUCKLEY WERE ALL ON THE SIDE OF THE GOVERNMENT. THEY ARE NOT INTERESTED IN THE SURVIVOR, BUT THEMSELVES.
THAT IS WHY, THEY MUST BE SHOWN THE DOOR, AND GET SOMEONE IN THERE WHO WILL SPEAK TO GOVERNMENT, AND TELL THEM WHAT WE WANT, AND NOT WHAT BARRY, AND BUCKLEY WANT. BECAUSE THEY SPEAK FOR NO ONE ONLY THEMSELVES, AND THE JOBS THEY HAVE LINED UP TO KEEP THEM GOING FOR THE REST OF THEIR DAYS.
I HOPE YOU DONT THINK IM ARGUING WITH YOU DAVID, BUT WE HAVE TO LOOK AT ALL SIDES HERE, AS LONG AS THEY ARE PULLING THE STRINGS, WE WILL GET NOWHERE.
I ASK PEOPLE AGAIN, REMOVE YOUR SUPPORT FROM BARRY AND BUCKLEY BY DEMANDING YOUR NAMES BE REMOVED FROM THEIR DATA BASE, THEREFORE WHEN THEY GO TO GOVERNMENT FOR FUNDING, THEY WONT HAVE THE MANDATE TO DO IT, BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE DATABASE THEY HOLD WITH YOUR NAMES ON IT, IS WHAT THEY USE TO GET THE FUNDING FROM THE HSE ON OUR BEHALF. WITHOUT THAT DATABASE, THEY ARE DEAD IN THE WATER.
TAKE CARE. MOSSIE.
I am a 1958 to 1960 Daingean “resident”, and would like James ‘Jimmy” Moy get in touch with me….. As I have info that I want to share and consult with him on….. Before publishing it here on the site….. As I don’t want to give “our enemies” a “heads up”… before I/we reveal the true conditions that went on at Daingean!!! Ask Jimmy to contact me at ptdoran17@gmail.com or pat.doran@sbcglobal.net ….. f.y.i. I was at The Redress Bd. Aug. 30….
Paddy.
p.s.
Permission to Rob and Paddy D. to give Jimmy all the info they have re: me…. What I have got…(and was not in the Ryan or Murphy report) Will blow the O.M.I. and the State….OUT OF THE WATER!!! Paddy (in Calif)
@Mary,
You re not the only one, Paddy is well Loved! Why shouldn’t he be!!!!
Thanks for that Mary. Paddy
I am glad that I have read the mood of everyone involved in the site; and that the “Concept” of the Shame Of Ireland” has been so well recieved.
Not as “another Group” purporting to represent you all; but a real and tangeable bolt-on to what Paddy has been doing for years! Giving YOU control!
10 years+ Paddy has been keeping the Faith! and GIVING Support and encouragement! and then giving some more!
What the “Shame of Ireland” needs is Membership! and more involvement with the discusions.
Pop in regularly and check on the “LIVE VOTE” this is what gives you a voice!!
THere will be more “LIVE VOTES” over the next few days!!
WE will be voting on “Spokes People” Soon!
Please check out the “LIVE VOTE” and try and RECRUIT more MEMBERS!
The bigger the MEMBERSHIP the BIGGER The VOICE!!
Your
Friend
Rob
Together WE are STRONGER!
Paddy,Thank you for this important site,and all your hard work you are doing for us I was worried when I heard you were in hospital, I am delighted you are now out of hospital and back with us I hope you are feeling much better ,I send you my best wishes and love and am sure I speak for all of us
I agree that we don’t need division but what the government would love to see is yet another group/organisation springing up. A classic case of ‘divide and conquer’. Lest there me any misunderstanding, I don’t see Shame of Ireland as competition, I believe that what we all should be striving for is unity. To use a cliché – We should all be singing off the same hymn sheet. Paddy.
Here Here david.
No need for any groups me thinks. As NONE of them have a MANDATE anyway. Just jumping on another band wagon they are. Like there’s loads and loads of money to be had and times are hard, lets make a new group and see what the department of education gives us, shure didn’t they give Barry and the others loads and loads of money for setting up a group with NO MANDATE
WE THE PEOPLE DO NOT WANT ANOTHER GROUP
WE THE PEOPLE DO NOT WANT ANY NEW TRUST FUNDS
WE THE PEOPLE DO NOT WANT OR NEED ANY MORE EDUCATION
WE THE PEOPLE CAN GET WELFARE HELP LIKE ANY OTHER IRISH CITIZEN IS ENTITLED TO WITHOUT GOING THROUGH A TRUST FUND.
WE THE PEOPLE HAVE HAD IT
small print to follow:
notice how I didn’t call us SURVIVORS.
we are the people
THE PEOPLE OF IRELAND
AND WE SAY
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH
STOP THE NEW GROUPS
STOP THE DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION GIVING TAX PAYERS MONEY TO THESE GROUPS
STOP THE TRUST FUND
STOP IT
STOP IT
STOP IT
There is a danger of too many cooks spoiling the broth here. There’s also the issue of a mandate to speak on behalf of people. I’m not looking for praise but this website has been going for ten years and has always been kept up to date. It has never claimed to represent anyone but it is willing to give a voice to anyone as has been demonstrated over its lifetime. I don’t intend to go into competition with anyone, I’ll keep on doing what I’ve been doing. Best wishes. Paddy
The question foremost in my mind is what do we need these guys for in the first place. It seems to me that it’s like the Mafia investigating the Mafia……..Paddy
I agree David that the government will throw their eyes to heaven and come out with something like “not another one” (organisation that is). As I keep saying I don’t claim to represent any group of people nor would I without a mandate. The setting up of another group at this stage is in my view going to prove counter productive.
I’m out of hospital and hoping to stay out of it. Thanks for the nice thoughts David. Best wishes. Paddy
Paddy I haven’t written on your site for some time but I do peruse it every now and then. It is very informative and therefore acts as a guideline as to what is going on in Ireland.
I am very much inclined to agree with your previous comment regards yet another organisation (or group) surfacing from nowhere. Whilst there may be great enthusiasm at the birth of a new organisation I feel, and certainly at this stage many years on, that it will be a non-winner. Survivors groups that have been up and running for many years and that have managed to remain faithful to its members are to be recommended and acknowledged for their commitment and indeed their resilience for having the ability to remain focused on the need to help survivors. So many groups have fallen by the way side due to in-fighting and lack of leadership qualities.
I would suggest that organisers of newly formed groups thread very carefully as todays friends could easily be tomorrows enemies. And, as you have also mentioned, I very much doubt that the government will want another group in the fleet of already surviving groups. I also believe that yet another survivors group will be unhealthy with ministers throwing their eyes upwards as if to say “not another one.” For updates and to put our thoughts forward this website is the best by far. Long may it reign.
P.S. Hope you are keeping well.
Who can we trust. These investigators from within the church.. the people who run these groups.. just who is this country governed by, the vatican?
UNREAL….UNACCEPTABLE.
Paddy, i agree with your comment, as my previous post’s indicate.
I would however like to make a few observation’s regarding the new site that Mossie is urging folk to join.
It say’s it will offer a lot to it’s member’s, like support, service’s, etc….
When “Right of Place” first kicked off, i recall, they also offered these same service’s , and for the first few year’s did just that, but then the entire outfit went pearshaped, member’s here in the UK were no longer kept informed, their website was not maintained or kept up to date, and, according to the Media, all sort’s of allegation’s leveled at it’s founder and his ” Henchmen” were reported.
Weighing everything up, i am prompted to ask Mosse, just who is going to fund the day to day cost of the new site he propose’s?
My feeling is that it will be no different from ROP, just a different name, but with many of the personel involved , EX ROP.
The name “Munster ” does not do it for me , there are victim’s all over the world, and our issue is with the Irish Government, and not with ROP or it’s founder. We are informed that the HSE and Gardai are dealing with those matter’s, so it does not appeal to me to want to get involved with any other group that simply want to take over , where ROP left off!
OUT OF THE FRYING PAN ,INTO THE FIRE SPRING’S TO MIND!
My opinion, regard’s Jimmy.
Paddy,
As usual we agree, We do not need more division!
As you can see I have invited the other group to take part in the new Domocracy that is the Shame of Ireland.
If the past tha divides can be put where it belongs there is a STRONG Future?
Ex members of the Right of Place are also welcome; although they may feel a little uncomfortable!
“Show me a Man who has never made a mistake! and I will show you a Man who has never tried to do anything!”
Who is not my Enemy is my Friend!
Your
Friend
Rob
I don’t want this to ‘sound’ like sour grapes but I believe that the last thing we need is another organisation – it will serve no purpose other than to cause further confusion and in-fighting. It’s my view that the government need another organisation just like they need a hole in the head. Personally, I don’t like the term ‘survivors’ – it’s a term usually associated with war. I’m merely expressing my point of view – nothing more. Paddy
Should this website be using this name?
http://www.irish-survivors.com/irish-survivors/
Personally I thik we should do something about it???
Your
Friend
Rob
Bellow is and email I sent yesterday asking for Unity?
We shall see what relpies I get?
________________________________________
From: Robert Northall [mailto:rob.northall@ntlworld.com]
Sent: 05 October 2010 11:06
To: ‘info@alliancesupport.org’; ‘irishsurvivors.com’; ‘irishsoca@eircom.net’; ‘munstersurvivors@gmail.com’
Subject: We can ALL work Together? TOGETHER WE ARE STRONGER!
Dear ALL!
There is a NEW website set up for Survivors of the Irish Industrial School System; where they can Vote on issues that affect them.
They are disillusioned with so called “Representatives” like the “Right of Place” that have been investigated for Irregular Distribution of Funds!
http://shameofireland.co.uk/
There are 2 Petitions that Directly Affect Survivors!
http://www.petitions.ie/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=238&Itemid=9&latestnews=latest
and
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/267/justice-for-irish-survivors-of-child-abuse/
Which I hope you can support?
The Group is called the “Shame of Ireland” because Ireland, its Politicians and the Religious Orders are ASHAMED OF US; When they are the ones who should be ASHAMED!
The Shame of Ireland Stands for “Democracy Transparency and Inclusion for All!”
Survivors, Their Family Members and Friends, are ALL WELCOME!!
We will be voting to accept the “Aims and Objectives” of The Shame Of Ireland, Soon!
You all are welcome JOIN and to CONTRIBUTE?
Once they are adopted WE will be voting for “Spokes People” to Speak for Survivors with the Mandate of a VOTE on the Topic in Mind (whatever that may be?)!
We currently have 2 Nominations for “Spokes People” if you join you can Nominate others?
This can then be put to the VOTE!
REPRESENTATION WITHOUT LEADERSHIP??
If you know anyone who was affected by the Industrial School System would you please bring this email to their attention and ask them to Join US?
“It is not about Personalities it is about the Task at Hand” nor is it about Competition but Collaboration!
If WE all can get past the Past that divides us WE can build a STRONG FUTURE!
And SPEAK WITH ONE VOICE!!
Your
Friend
Rob
PS If your organisation would like a link on our website, Please let us Know (a reciprocal arrangement would be nice but not always required!)
PPS The Website is Flexible and can accommodate NEW AREAS!!!
Archbishops told to target Vatican over abuse
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A LEADING priest has called on Ireland’s four Catholic archbishops to point the finger of blame at the Vatican for its central role in the global clerical child abuse crisis.
Ahead of today’s long-awaited meeting with senior Vatican officials, Fr Sean McDonagh, an expert on the environment and ecology, has also appealed to an international team of investigators to join forces with the four Irish church leaders in putting the Vatican under fire.
The Irish delegation is led by Cardinal Sean Brady, and the nine-member team of outside investigators is headed by the senior English churchman, Cardinal Cormac Murphy-O’Connor. Fr McDonagh said yesterday they should insist from the outset that the Vatican be held accountable for the worldwide abuse crisis.
“I believe the Irish archbishops and the team of visitors should begin by scrutinising Rome’s own handling of sex abuse allegations,” Fr McDonagh, a co-founder of the Association of Irish Priests, last night told the Irish Independent.
He instanced how for decades the Vatican shielded the late Fr Marcel Maciel, the notorious Mexican paedophile founder of the ultra-conservative Legionaries of Christ, as “one of the greatest failures in terms of accountability any where in the church”.
However, there was no comment on Fr McDonagh’s challenge from the Irish camp and the investigators, who privately sang from the same hymn sheet that they were all in the dark as to how Pope Benedict wants to conduct the Irish inquiry he announced last March.
A timetable is expected to be agreed today when Cardinal Brady, accompanied by Archbishops Diarmuid Martin, Dermot Clifford and Michael Neary appear, as summoned, before the Congregation of Bishops.
On his arrival in Rome yesterday, Archbishop Neary told the Irish Independent that he would not know if the investigators would consult priests and laity until he knew the outcome of today’s meeting.
Also already in Rome are the heavyweight churchmen from the US and Canada who have been specially assigned by the Vatican to compile an inventory of their conclusions for presentation to Pope Benedict on the shocking findings of the Ryan and Murphy reports.
As well as analysing the causes of the huge scale of clerical child abuse in the archdiocese of Dublin and in industrial schools run by religious orders — as well as their cover-up — the investigating team is to examine the current child protection schemes. How abuse victims are being treated will also be a key feature of the probe.
The investigators will be mandated by the Holy See to come forward with recommendations on how to “assist the local church on her path of renewal”.
– John Cooney in Rome
Irish Independent
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By John Cooney in Rome
Wednesday October 06 2010
A LEADING priest has called on Ireland’s four Catholic archbishops to point the finger of blame at the Vatican for its central role in the global clerical child abuse crisis.
Ahead of today’s long-awaited meeting with senior Vatican officials, Fr Sean McDonagh, an expert on the environment and ecology, has also appealed to an international team of investigators to join forces with the four Irish church leaders in putting the Vatican under fire.
The Irish delegation is led by Cardinal Sean Brady, and the nine-member team of outside investigators is headed by the senior English churchman, Cardinal Cormac Murphy-O’Connor. Fr McDonagh said yesterday they should insist from the outset that the Vatican be held accountable for the worldwide abuse crisis.
“I believe the Irish archbishops and the team of visitors should begin by scrutinising Rome’s own handling of sex abuse allegations,” Fr McDonagh, a co-founder of the Association of Irish Priests, last night told the Irish Independent.
He instanced how for decades the Vatican shielded the late Fr Marcel Maciel, the notorious Mexican paedophile founder of the ultra-conservative Legionaries of Christ, as “one of the greatest failures in terms of accountability any where in the church”.
However, there was no comment on Fr McDonagh’s challenge from the Irish camp and the investigators, who privately sang from the same hymn sheet that they were all in the dark as to how Pope Benedict wants to conduct the Irish inquiry he announced last March.
A timetable is expected to be agreed today when Cardinal Brady, accompanied by Archbishops Diarmuid Martin, Dermot Clifford and Michael Neary appear, as summoned, before the Congregation of Bishops.
On his arrival in Rome yesterday, Archbishop Neary told the Irish Independent that he would not know if the investigators would consult priests and laity until he knew the outcome of today’s meeting.
Also already in Rome are the heavyweight churchmen from the US and Canada who have been specially assigned by the Vatican to compile an inventory of their conclusions for presentation to Pope Benedict on the shocking findings of the Ryan and Murphy reports.
As well as analysing the causes of the huge scale of clerical child abuse in the archdiocese of Dublin and in industrial schools run by religious orders — as well as their cover-up — the investigating team is to examine the current child protection schemes. How abuse victims are being treated will also be a key feature of the probe.
The investigators will be mandated by the Holy See to come forward with recommendations on how to “assist the local church on her path of renewal”.
– John Cooney in Rome
Irish Independent
Hi Rob, thanks for your post, signed the petition , and appreciate all yourself, Paddy, and Kathleen are doing to help our cause. As far as I am concerned, I am happy with Paddy’s site and your shame of Ireland site. I don’t see the need for another site, and would not be happy to be involved with any group that has it’s own agenda, and not the interest’s of the survivor’s at hand. Our issue’s are with the government, and the proposed trust fund, not in getting involved with slagging match’s.
best wishes
Jimmy.
When these groups started. They were full of promises but as time passed ‘they closed in a groups of cronies. we are still getting promises but I don’t believe them . power goes to their heads and they forget what they are there for . so no i don’t want to trust any more of them .
HELLO KATHLEEN,
IN RESPONSE TO YOUR LETTER.
(1) I DID NOT GET ANY NAMES OF SURVIVORS FROM ANYWHERE. THE PERSON HOLDING THE MEETING WAS MR OLIVER BURKE, WHO INITIALLY WORKED IN RIGHT OF PLACE, AND MOST OF THE PEOPLE WHO ATTENDED, HE WAS FAMILIAR WITH, AND ALREADY KNEW THEM.
(2) AS FAR AS I AM AWARE, MOST OF THE PEOPLE WHO ATTENDED, HAD BEEN INVITED, IT WAS BY INVITATION, AND ANYONE WHO RECEIVED AN INVITATION FROM MR BURKE, ATTENDED, AND OTHER SURVIVORS WHO WERE FRIENDS OF THOSE INVITED ALSO CAME ALONG, THAT WAS NOT A PROBLEM.
(3) I DID NOT ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, AS I AM NOT QUALIFIED TO DO SO. WHAT I SAID WAS MR OLIVER BURKE, WHO CHAIRED THE MEETING, ALONG WITH MR CHRISTIE HEAPHY ANSWERED ANY QUESTIONS THAT WERE ASKED OF THEM.
(4) I DO NOT HAVE A MANDATE TO REPRESENT ANYONE KATHLEEN, NOR HAVE I CLAIMED TO HAVE. PLEASE READ MY MESSAGE AGAIN, AS I THINK YOU MAY BE SLIGHTLY CONFUSED.
MR OLIVER BURKE’S GROUP, INTENDS TO FORM A GROUP, TO COUNTERACT MR NOEL C BARRY’S GROUP, WHOSE INTENTION IS TO HAVE A TRUST FUND PUT IN PLACE.
WE ARE NOT AFTER THE SAME THING, AS 99 PER CENT OF SURVIVORS, WANT THE MONIES THAT WILL BE DONATED FROM THE RELIGIOUS ORDERS FOR REPARATION, TO BE GIVEN TO THE SURVIVORS, AND NOT THE GOVERNMENT.
THE GOVERNMENT NEED TO BE TOLD, AND THIS IS WHAT THIS GROUP INTENDS TO DO. IT’S AIMS ARE TO CONFRONT THE GOVERNMENT IN EVERY WAY POSSIBLE TO DO THE RIGHT THING BY THE SURVIVORS, AND GIVE THE MONEY, AND THAT MEANS, ALL OF THE MONIES TO THE SURVIVORS, AND NOT TO THE GOVERNMENT.
MR BURKE ALSO IS TRYING TO UNITE ( ALL ) OF THE GROUPS, BECAUSE WITHOUT UNITY, WE ARE DEAD IN THE WATER. MOST OF THE GROUPS ARE ALREADY AGREED TO THIS, BUT FOR (2) I BELIEVE. WE WILL GET NOWHERE ( DIVIDED )
I HOPE I HAVE PUT YOU STRAIGHT ON YOUR QUERY, KATHLEEN, BUT I WOULD URGE YOU TO READ MY MESSAGE AGAIN, FOR CLARIFICATION.
WE ARE ALL IN THIS TOGETHER, AND THE SOONER WE GET RID OF MR NOEL C BARRY, ( THE DICTATOR ) AND HIS HENCHMEN, THE BETTER. BECAUSE HE WANTS, WHAT WE DONT. AGAIN I WILL SAY. ( NO TRUST FUND )
KIND REGARD’S, MOSSIE.
HI ROB, AND THANKS FOR YOUR REPLY. YES I KNOW ABOUT YOUE PETITION SITE, AND I HAVE ALREADY SIGNED UP TO IT SOME TIME AGO, IT SEEMS TO BE DOING QUITE WELL TG.
MR BARRY AND HIS HENCHMEN AS YOU WILL BE AWARE, HAVE ALREADY SIGNED ALL SURVIVORS UP TO A TRUST FUND WHICH NO ONE WANTS.
BARRY OF COURSE SPEAKS ONLY FOR HIMSELF, BUT THINKD HE HAS A GOD GIVEN RIGHT TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF ALL SURVIVORS.
HOWEVER, HE HAS ONLY ABOUT ANOTHER 8 WEEKS OR SO LEFT BEFORE HE HAS TO GO, AND NOT BEFORE TIME I MAY ADD.
WE ARE TRYING TO UNITE ALL THE GROUPS AT PRESENT, AND IT SEEMS TO BE GOING QUITE WELL. WE ALL NEED TO BE SINGING FROM THE ONE HYMN SHEET, WHEN WE ARE LOOKING TO HAVE THAT ( TRUST FUND ) OVERTURNED.
THE SOONER THAT MAN, ( BARRY ) IS GONE, THE BETTER FOR US ALL, AS HE HAS DONE IRREPARABLE DAMAGE TO SURVIVORS, BY ACTING AS IF HE HAS THE GOD GIVEN RIGHT TO SPEAK FOR US ALL, WITHOUT BEING GIVEN A MANDATE..
I REALLY HOPE EVERYTHING TURNS OUT FOR THE BEST FOR THE SURVIVORS. IT’S TIME WE GOT RID OF THE DICTATOR, AND HIS ENTOURAGE NOW, ONCE AND FOR ALL.
GOOD LUCK IN YOUR WORK ROB, AND KEEP PLOUGHING FORWARD, WE WILL NOT BE BEATEN BY THESE PARASITES WHO PURPORT TO REPRESENT US SURVIVORS. IF I CAN BE OF ANY HELP IN THE NEAR FUTURE, DONT HESITATE TO ASK.
KIND REGARDS. MOSSIE.
In reply to Mossies request for new Members, could you answer a couple of questions for me.
1. Where did you get the names / addresses of the Survivors who attended?,
2. How many Survivors were notified of the gathering?
3. What questions to answers were you qualified to answer.
4. Have you a Mandate to represent Survivors Universally.
YOU APPEAR TO BE DOING EXACTLY WHAT PREVIOUS GROUP LEADERS HAVE DONE IN THE PAST, ARGUE AGAINST EACH OTHER. THIS DOES NOT GIVE CONFIDENCE TO MEMBERS. SURELY A UNITED MEMBERSHIP WOULD BE MORE BENIFICAL TO ALL INVOLVED.
PERSONALLY I AM VERY CONTENT WITH PADDY’S WEB PAGE, HE HAS BEEN CONSISTENT AND VERY FAIR IN ALLOWING EACH AND EVERY ONE A VOICE.
SHAME OF IRELAND HAD BEEN SET UP BY ROBERT WHO HAS EXCELLED HIMSELF AND DONE JUSTICE TO SURVIVORS THROUGHOUT THE WORLD. PERHAPS YOUR ENERGIES WOULD BE BEST SERVED BY GETTING RID OF GROUPS AND UNITING AS ONE. STRENGTH IN NUMBERS. “UNITED WE STAND DIVIDED WE FALL.
KATHLEEN o’MALLEY.
THE LAST THING WE NEED AS SURVIVOR’S IS ANOTHER GROUP, GIVEN ALL THE HIGHLIGHTED REPORT’S OVER THE YEAR’S REGARDING THE VARIOUS OTHER GROUP’S , THAT CLEARLY HAD THEIR OWN AGENDA’S!
IT IS LIKE AN ADVERT FOR A NEW WASHING POWDER, BUT NO WHITER THE PREVIOUS LOT!
THIS SITE ,AND “SHAME OF IRELAND” HAS ENABLED SURVIVOR’S TO WRITE, EMAIL AND VOTE THEIR CONCERN’S REGARDING THE PROPOSED TRUST FUND, THEY BOTH KEEP SURVIVOR’S UP TO DATE AND INFORMED, AND ASSIST IN EVERY WAY THEY CAN , THAT WILL DO FOR ME, ESPECIALLY AS IT REACH’S OUT TO SURVIVOR’S ALL OVER THE WORLD,
AND IS RUN BY A MAN WHO COMMAND’S RESPECT FROM THE VERY GOVERNMENT WE HAVE ISSUE’S WITH.
JIMMY
@ Jimmy and Mary,
There is a Discusion Topic on the Shame of Ireland website about Human Rights I shall be expanding on it and adding Legaal Representation. i have been knocked back by Geoffrey Robbertson QC; who recently published a book on the Popes Direct Culpability in all this!
I am still waiting to hear from Mr Scocer who is representing the Man in England who has permission to sue for 5 Million Pounds; This will be a landmark case and will show the Redress Board for what it was” The Protector of the Public Purse” and a damage limitation excersise for CORI! Surely Michael Woods is Guaranteed a place in Heaven with so many “Good Catholics” Praying for his “Immortal Soul”
Your
Friend
Rob
@ Mossie,
There is already a website set up for Survivors; where they can Vote on issues that affect them?
You are right about being disillusioned with so called “Representatives” and speaking with “One Voice”.
I agree that Mr Barry “et all” need to be sent a clear message!
http://shameofireland.co.uk/
Stands for Democracy Transparency and Inclusion for All!
You and the others at the meeting, are more than welcome?
We will be voting to accept the “Aims and Objectives” of The Shame Of Ireland, Soon!
You are all welcome to contribute?
Once they are adopted WE will be voting for “Spokes People” to Speak for Survivors with the Mandate of a VOTE on the Topic in Mind (whatever that may be?)!
We currently have 2 Nominations for “Spokes People” if you join you can Nominate others?
This can then be put to the VOTE!
Representation without Leadership??
Come and Join US?
“It is not about Personalities it is about the Task at Hand”
Your
Friend
Rob
PS, The Petition at http://www.petitions.ie/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=238&Itemid=9&latestnews=latest
Has been extended until the end of the year as the Redress Unit could not tell me when the Statutory Fund become Law.
PPS, Thank Christie for Signing the Petition! His Support is appreciatd!
A MEETING WAS HELD ON SATURDAY LAST IN ( MAHON COMMUNITY CENTRE ) HELD BR MR, OLIVER BURKE, AND MR CHRISTIE HEAPHY.
ABOUT 60, OR MORE SURVIVORS ATTENDED, AND WAS A VERY VERY SUCCESSFUL MEETING, THE MAIN TOPIC OF CONVERSATION WAS THE REPARATION MONIES BEING OFFERED BY THE RELIGIOUS ORDERS.
THE MEETING WAS A HUGE SUCCESS, AND LOTS OF QUESTIONS WERE ASKED FROM THE FLOOR, AND ANSWERS GIVEN TO ALL.
THE NEW GROUP IS CALLED, ( MUNSTER SURVIVORS SUPPORT SERVICES ) AND ALREADY HAS QUITE A FOLLOWING.
I WOULD URGE ANYONE WHO HAS HAD THEIR FILL OF THE PROMISES FROM THE GROUP ( RIGHT OF PLACE, LOWER GLANMIRE ROAD ) TO JOIN THIS GROUP, AND MORE SO TO ( DEMAND FROM MR C BARRY, AND HIS GROUP THAT HAS DONE ABSOLUTELY DONE NOTHING FOR THE SURVIVORS WHO HAS CONTACTED HIS OFFICES, TO HAVE THEIR NAMES, AND ANY OTHER INFORMATION THAT ( RIGHT OF PLACE ) HOLDS ON THEIR DATABANK, TO HAVE IT REMOVED AT ONCE, AND ALSO TO ASK MR BARRY TO REPLY IN WRITING TO THEM PERSONALLY TO THEM, CONFIRMING THAT THEIR DEMANDS ARE ADHERED TO.
RIGHT OF PLACE HAVE FOR YEARS, USED YOUR NAMES, AND DETAILS TO OBTAIN FUNDING FROM THE HSE TO KEEP MR BARRY AND CO IN BUSINESS, SO BY YOU ( DEMANDING ) TO HAVE YOUR INFORMATION REMOVED FROM HIS DATABASE, SO THEY WILL NOT BE ASKING FOR FUNDING FROM THE HSE, IN YOUR NAME.
WITHOUT THIS FUNDING FROM THE HSE, MR NOEL C BARRY HAS NO MANDATE, AND NO DATABASE, AND THEREFORE NOT ACTING ON OUR BEHALF.
I ALREADY HAVE WENT THROUGH THIS PROCESS IN RIGHT OF PLACE, AS I FOUND THAT THEY WERE DOING ABSOLUTELY NOTHING FOR THE MAJORITY OF SURVIVORS, AND I AM CERTAIN THAT AFTER ALL THE CONTROVERSY OVER THE PAST FEW MONTHS IN THE MEDIA ABOUT THE ALLEGED MISINTERPRETATION OF FUNDS, AND DONATIONS FROM THE RELIGIOUS ORDERS, THAT MR BARRY, AND HIS GROUP, HAVE QUITE A LOT OF QUESTIONS THAT HE NEEDS TO ANSWER.
WE ARE SICK TO THE TEETH OF HEARING FROM MR BARRY, ( LEAVE IT WITH ME ) OR ( I WILL PUT THAT TO THE BOARD ) AND THAT IS THE END OF IT. WE SAY ENOUGH IS ENOUGH OF THAT BULL, AND SOME QUESTIONS NEED ANSWERING.
THIS NEW GROUP HAS A LOT TO OFFER THE SURVIVORS THAT HAVE NOT BEEN LISTENED TO IN THE PAST, AND A BETTER HOPE FOR THE FUTURE.
ALL MR BARRY AND HIS COLLEGUES WILL OFFER THE SURVIVOR, IS A GUARANTEED TRUST FUND, WHICH I WILL BET, HE WILL WANT TO BE IN CONTROL OF. HE IS NOT WORRIED ABOUT THE SURVIVOR, IN MY OPINION, BUT HIMSELF, AND TO KEEP ON MAKING A HEALTHY LIVING ON THE MISERY OF OTHERS.
IT’S HIGH TIME NOW, THAT ALL SURVIVOR GROUPS AMALGAMATE TOGETHER, AND SPEAK WITH ( 1 ) ONE VOICE. WITHOUT THIS, THE GOVERNMENT WILL BE LAUGHING AT US ALL, WHICH THEY ARE DOING AT PRESENT. ( DIVIDED ) THAT IS THE PLOY OF THE GOVERNMENT. WE MUST SHOW THEM THAT WE SURVIVORS CAN BE, AND WILL BE, A FORCE TO BE RECKONED WITH, AND WE WILL FIGHT THEM EVERY INCH OF THE WAY WHEN THEY SAY TO US, ( WE ARE TAKING YOUR MONEY TO BUILD A CHILDREN’S HOSPITAL. WE WILL NOT BE DICTATED TO YET AGAIN, AS WE WERE AS CHILDREN.
I URGE EVERYONE READING THIS ARTICLE, TO CONTACT THE NUMBERS LISTED BELOW, AND ONCE AND FOR ALL TO BE TOTALLY RID OF THIS GROUP CALLED, ( RIGHT OF PLACE ) AND THEIR DICTATOR, WHO HAS DONE NOTHING, AND WILL DO NOTHING FOR THE SURVIVOR, EXCEPT TO TELL THE GOVERNMENT ( SUPPOSEDLY ON OUR BEHALF ) THAT WE WANT A TRUST FUND, WHEN WE DO NOT.
MR BARRY IS NOT CONVEYING OUR MESSAGE, AND HIS LEGAL ADVISOR, MR FRANCIS TREANOR LIKEWISE. THEY BOTH WENT TO THE GOVERNMENT AND ASKED FOR A TRUST FUND IN OUR NAME. LETS BE RID OF THESE PARASITES NOW.
THE NEW GROUP IS KNOWN AS, ( MUNSTER SURVIVORS SUPPORT GROUP ) TELEPHONE ( 087-0516070 ) THEY WILL ALSO HAVE A WEB-SITE UP AND RUNNING HOPEFULLY IN THE NEXT TWO WEEKS OR SO. THE WEB- ADDRESS IS, ( http://www.munstersurvivorssupportservices.org ) AND THE EMAIL ADDRESS, ( munstersurvivors@gmail.com )
There is a NEW petition at
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/267/justice-for-irish-survivors-of-child-abuse/
I Hope you will give this your support it is growing faster than the one I created!
I have applied to have the closing date extended for the petition at petitions.ie and will let you know if it is granted
Your Friend Rob
Without doubt, the experience of the Redress Board was further Abuse for all who attended, and the “Weighting” system they had in place was anything but Fair, and the entire set up was for my part ,very upsetting, i felt i was not spoken to ,but down to, i felt intimidated, humiliated and very distressed with the proceeding’s, like as if i was on trial, the level of question’s which would have made Hitler proud.
I received the maximum point’s for Sexual and Physical Abuse, yet very few for the other’s, like loss of opportunity, or physcho
/ social , loss of education, physical/ mental damage, and the knock on effect’s that went with it all, through life.
It is my overall feeling that i was being penalised for surviving , for standing there in front of them , smartly dressed, clean and polite. What bit of education i have ,i taught myself, but the judge remarked that i seemed to have come through life pretty well and made out ok, so they saved on the point’s there!
On reflection, i beleive now, that had i appeared in front of them, dressed scruffy, unshaven, a fag and a can of beer in my hand’s, and swearing blindly, plus swinging on the light’s, i would have been awarded many more point’s.
To say their treatment of all who attended the Redress Board was fair and just, and conducted on a par with the High Court’s, was anything but the truth! It was further Abuse, as their insistance on gagging order’s, supported! They knew damn well they were treating and shortchanging us badly.
The Legal People are millionaire’s now, on the back’s of our cruel Childhood’s, and thank’s to the RIRB, SO IT WOULD BE NICE IF SOME OF THEM OFFERED TO TAKE UP OUR CASE TO THE EUROPEAN COURT AGAINST THE IRISH STATE ON THE ISSUE OF THE STATUTORY FUND, AS A GESTURE OF GOOD WILL, AND FREE OF CHARGE!
JIMMY.
Kathleen O’ I agree with you what happened to us children in those Brutal baby and child prisons Must be written into Irish History all documents relating to Industrial schools and the children detained in them must be preserved as part Ireland’s Brutal History which distroyed so many lives .Pauline you were in St joseph’s dormatory so you would have been only 4 years old ,I remember, my heart breaks just remembering the suffering all us children detained in those damp Dark colourless Souless,brutal Cruel Hell on Earth Holes.We were only little children . in trying to get justice we all have been AGAIN ,>Abused,Used,Bullied,Silenced,even Threatened, some bullied out of Ireland .many if still alive live lonley isloated lives and many are in Poor or really bad health ,the government know this thats why they wan’t the statuary trust fund in their own coffers they hope we all die leaving them with total control of Survivors rightful compansation,Europian Court of Human Rights ,I have spoken to a Lawyer about this he has read the posts ,and has friends in television.and read the Ryan report ect , Buckley is a total CONTROL FREAK and a bully also.
the redress was a difercult experience. The lawyer did not act as if he was on my side ‘ after all the papers damanded over the years i waited . Asking for medical files was beeing thaught a bit strange and all that so that thay could make me feel responsable for my emotional scars . i was just as frightened as the first time i was taken to court at the age of six. we should not have to protect people like that . thay snobed us lawyers and all .
Jimmy.
I believe this man may have made what he may call a throw away remark. To the Survivor who has suffered heinious abuse it is appauling. One wonders what this man was doing in such a position.
As you said Jimmy “the mind boggles”. Personally I would not trust such a person anywhere near any child of mine.
Therein lies a total lack of RESPECT for the Victim.
He and others like him are a disgrace to Human Society.
Sadly Ireland nominated him to sit on the Redress Board.
What a pity they did not require a C.R.B.Check.
I am perplexed and astonished that so many (Criminals) men of the cloth are allowed to continue preaching Morality to the millions of Catholics around the world.
Having recently viewed “Song of a Raggy boy” both monsters were removed from the said Industrial School and became Missionaries. Murder was committed, the Irish Police were not called nor was there an investigation. Ireland you have so much to answer for. Shame on you.
Kathleen O’Malley.
Further to my last posting , i would like to state that i made a a mistake on the Judge’s name, it was not Ryan , but o leary.
I apoligise if my mistake caused any upset, it was not my intention, i frequently make little error’s in my old age. for example, last week i advised a friend to seek the help of a terrorist, but meant a therapist!
Jimmy.
Hi Rob, ta for your comment, but only giving my opinion. Regarding the subject of the Redress Board, and their so called “fair” award’s, it is very apparent that most of those who attended the Redress Board do not agree that it was in anyway fair, and many would say that the entire experience was on a par with further Abuse in their sad elder live’s. Many left very dissapointed and traumatised, with the treatment, the weird question’s asked by Judge Ryan, and the pityful award’s made, which were not in any way on a par of what they said in their Handbook , that award’s would be the same as the High Court’s .The Gagging order’s were clearly further Abuse, and in breach of our Human Right’s.
Ever since i attended the Redress Board, i am haunted by one particular question Judge Ryan asked me, ” WHY DO YOU THINK YOU WERE PICKED ON SO OFTEN BY THE PEOPLE YOU SAY SEXUALLY ABUSED YOU?”
I answered that i was 12 year old, small in size for my age, and may have appealed to the Predator’s because i was young, angelic looking and vunerible.Also terrified and very frightened and very far from my Mother, also that i had been described by an older boy that i was fresh meat, not being there long, and he advised me to watch out for certain Brother’s, and this indeed proved correct.
I indicated to the Judge that i had with me a photo of myself , that it was outside the building in my Brother’s car, and the Judge requested to see it, and i got my Brother to go outside and get it, which he did. When the Judge looked at it, he remarked, “oh ,i see what you mean!”
My haunting question is , just exactly what did he see? and what did he mean , with that comment?. To this day the mind boggle’s!
That was the Highlight of my experience at the Redress Board, and i would be very interested to hear if any other Folk who attended, had simular experience’s. And also hear their view’s. ps, The photo was taken a few month’s before my interment , i was 11/12 at the time.
Keep Strong,
Jimmy.
This matter requires investigating and clarifying.
I would also like the abuse we suffered to be written into the History Books of ireland. In this way hopefully, no one body ie The Religious, will not be allowed total autonomy.
Kathleen O’Malley.
God bless you Jimmy for your clear message! I believe that the Education Fund is to be absorbed into the Statutory Fund which represents a net gain of 60 million Euros; indirectly you have hit the nail on the head! Who gets the funds when the original Survivors have gone? If they want to give it to the Chilren and Grandchilren of Survivor as a legacy, LET THE SURVIVORS DECIDE! LET IT BE THEIR GIFT TO THEIR CHILDREN AND GRANDCHILDREN? Why let administration eat into this!!!
The EDUCATION FINANCE BOARD, set up in 2006 is currently active and has been since then. It is for Survivor’s of Ireland’s various Institute’s,Convent’s etc, and started of with a fund of just over £12 million pound’s.
If the proposed plan by the Government to set up the Statutory Trust Fund, goes ahead, then are we to assume we will have two Education Finance scheme’s in operation at the same time?
This possibility is another reason why the Trust Fund is not needed,and not required by the majority of Survivor’s.
The Religious donated the £12million for the EFB in 2006, and now the further contribution’s of Land, Property, and Cash,
are for the further Redress of the Victim’s /Survivor’s, and should be shared out between them in the only fair way that they have indicated , directly to them, and not by the proposed Trust Fund.
The majority are in their elder year’s now, and for them the ideal solution would be to have their fair share ,as intended by the Religious, which would enable each and every one of them to look after themselve’s and their Family’s, get on with their live’s,
and have some sort of closure, instead of being further Abused .
Throughout their live’s, Survivor’s have raised their Family’s, and financed their Education, also their own, so it is a bit late now to be told that all the Contribution’s are to be put in a Trust Fund. Those Contribution’s are the Religious way of saying Sorry, to compensate us for the damage they have admitted to, so it’s only right that Survivor’s are Redressd now, in a fair manner, and also make up for the way they were badly treated by the Redress board, whose award’s were neither just or fair.
Jimmy.
The subject of tracing relatives and friend is a deeply important and emotional one!
There is a lot that we can do to help each other; and the Internet is a powerful tool?
ITV This Morning are looking for a good story about tracing relatives; nad are offering to do their best to find them for you?
You and contact them on Twitter Facebook and at thismorning@itv.com
I would use all 3 if you want to get their attention!
I f you are on Facebook there are many Irish related Group and Causes, Join them and ask there?
http://irishabroad.com/Home/Default.aspx Has 240,000 members
irishcentral@nl.clickability.com is a long shot?
http://lostschoolfriends.ie/ is also worth a try?
Join http://shameofireland.co.uk/ I will set up an Action Group there and Invite members to join; where we can help each other?
You don’t have to do this on your own!
I hope this help?
Your Friend Rob
PS the Shame ot Ireland is for Survivors their Families and Friends, there are members in Canada, Austrailia, North America as the membership grows we have more chance of finding lost loved ones?
Paddy’How do we Survivors know when a Politician is Lying to us ,>Their Lips Move
Paddy parhaps they forgot us.it was a difficult task trying to trace siblings.we have given up now after trying for many years ,we really did try hard.
Inhuman child abuse in Industrial Reformatorys was cloud’ed in a Culture of Secrecy to cover the brutal treatment that children were suffering ,The Government are still coverning it up still wrapped in a cloud of secrecy.
paddy my computer is suddenly acting very strange on this site don’t know why? ,when I went to barnardos for help in tracing siblings and family I had not heard of or seen since I was detained as a young child i didn’t have enough time for an appointment as i only had a few days in Dublin and they were busy ,that was 11 years ago.Paddy I could not get help anywhere else noone wanted to know so I went to the Salvation Army sadly without success .it makes me angry when we know all those so called services who recieved large funding saying they help trace family ,They Don’t, they just want the funding .
I found Barnardo’s extremely helpful and sympathetic in all of my many dealings with them. Paddy
we rang barnardos in Dublin giving them all necessary Info 10 years ago about trying to trace siblings We have not heard a word from them since, so we went to the Salvation Army. all these so called services for survivors are just a money making machine for themselves to keep their jobs.THE ONLY PEOPLE WHO CARE WEATHER WE GET JUSTICE ARE OURSELVES THOSE IN GOVERNMENT HAVE BOLTED ALL THE DOORS TO US .WE HAVE A DUTY TO SEEK JUSTICE FOR THE SHOCKING DAMAGE CAUSED TO US THROUGH OUR CHILDHOODS, AND FOR ALL THOSE WHO DID NOT MAKE IT, THOSE WHO CONTINUE SUFFERING THROUGHT OUT ADULTHOOD.WE HAVE ALL BEEN BULLIED INTO SILENCE .THE IRISH GOVERNMENT,S ARE THE ONES RESPONSABLE FOR WE WERE PUT THROUGH AS CHILDREN THEY WERE PAID TO PROTECT THE COUNTRY AND ITS PEOPLE THEY NEGLECTED TO CARRY THIS OUT AND KNOWINGLY ALLOWED AND IGNORED THE SUFFERING OF IRISH CHILDREN WHO WERE CONDEMED TO BRUTAL REFORMATORY’S.THE GOVERNMENT MUST KEEP THEIR GREEDY PAWS OF OUR RIGHTFUL COMPANSATION SCRAP THEIR STATUARY TRUST FUND IDEA GIVE SURVIVORS THEIR COMPANSATION AND LET SURVIVORS MOVE ON .PS STOP GIVING MONEY TO SO CALLED GROUP LEADERS THE ONLY LEADING THEY DO IS LEAD THE WAY TO THEIR BANK.
I sure would like to know what the questionaire Barnardos reurned to the government said. What exactly were the question. Did the people at Barnardos let them know ‘ what it was the survivors said’. Could anyone other than survivours have phoned Barnardos?, I know when I did I was told that I didn’t have to give my name, I ddidn’t see any reason why I shouldn’t so I gave it to them.
REPLY TO, Your Parent Owes Us Parental Money,THEY SAY THIS TO shock and THROW THE SURVIVOR OFF course so your thoughts become mixed up from the shock of what has just been said to you it is a psychological military tactic used in Warfare which can cause the mind to go blank A sort of shock, so the person looses concentration.Its deliberately done. THEY REALLY ARE EVIL.
Kathleen.
A good result, well done.
Do keep us posted as to the outcome.
Pauline.
I understand you can contact the Educational Dept and claim for Educational assistance. They will send you an application Form. As yet I have not availed of it. Perhaps someone reading this can enlighten us on the detail.
I agree there is little or no regard from them for us.
Kathleen.(O’Malley).
hallo paddy kathleen and rob thank you very mutch for all your help as you know i rang athlone yesterday they said they would ring me back they didnt so i rang them thismorning the phone rang twice and cut out so i tried several times the same thing i rang dublin mary coughlen office and they said they were there so i asked them to sent them down before friday with a letter of apology hmmm i wouldnt count on that so im calmer now thanks to my good friends
hello well the buisness of your family still owing perential moneys’ the same think was said to me when i went over to ireland. i dident understand why was he saying that for it sounded like some kind of joke ‘ but thats the level of respect that thay have for us . i cant afford the plane fares to come to ireland for whatever lessons thay have to offer ‘and i have given enough money to ireland as i have never recieved anything from all these people who declair thay know what Ineed
Re “The Trouble with the Pope” and the Panorama R/C Church….
Watched both the programs last night; Shame panorama couldn’t focus a little closer to home?
The reply from Barnardos is bellow
Dear Mr Northall
Than you for your email dated the 10th September, this is the only email we received from you.
At the request of the Department of Education and Skills, Barnardos set up a Freephone the purpose of which was to provide former residents of industrial schools with an opportunity to have an input into the planning being undertaken in relation to the establishment of the Statutory Fund of €110 million which has been contributed by the religious orders to be used for their benefit. In addition to former residents the Freephone was open to all interested parties to give their views.
The Freephone operated from 3rd August to the 27th August. We received 131 phone calls and 341 suggestions. All questionnaires were returned to the Department of Education and Skills .by the 3rd September. This is the only involvement that Barnardos had. For further information, I suggest that you contact the Department.
Yours sincerely
Clodagh Donnelly
Clodagh Donnelly
Head of Service
Origins
Barnardos Information and Tracing Service
654 South Circular Rd
Dublin 8
472 Responses out of how many??
24 days of telephone consultation;(if the phone lines were unmanned at weekends that is only 18 days? This charity should be ashamed of the way they have let themselves be used?
Kathleen.
Surprise surprise.’
Phone Mary Coughlan’s office again and tell them what has happened. They are responsible for your files. Have you got a Solicitor? Call on them to support you if I were in Dublin I would call them.
I know why I don’t live in Ireland, this attitude would drive me mad.
Can you reverse the charges? I know what I would like to say, but Paddy may not allow for it to be published.
Kathleen. (O’Malley)
hallo paddy kathleen and rob i phoned athlone this morning at nine forty this morning oh i was so calm explained that i had sent my reports to THE MINISTER MARY COUGHLAN marlborough street in dublin when i telephoned them her secretary said they must be in athlone she had no record so i gave them referance number i have in athlone because i got some files of when i was in school on 22nd of july fat lot of good that got me it was only all about the father owing monnies the date i went in and the date i left all he had to do put in the referance number and it would have come up on the cumpter if my reports went to athlone it would have been in my files he said he would ring me back guess what SILENT PHONE i will leave it for one day only and i shall ring back
On Channel 4 there is a programme called “The Trouble with the Pope” starting at 8.00 PM. Paddy.
Agreed. We should not have had to have Legal Advisors, this was all about “JOBS FOR THE BOYS/GIRLS” Mind you the religious could not be trusted to hand over the relevant documents. didn’t a number go up in smoke at one time.?
This entire enquiry should have been dealt with by an Arbitrary body.
Our Human rights were violated from the off set.
Kathleen, We await with baited breath for news from you tomorrow. Remember you are STRONGER than them. Just reflect on what you have gone through to get to where you are at now.
Don’t forget a deep breath and count to TEN.
Kathleen (O’Malley)
The Dept of Education were MAJOR Players in our Suffering in Industrial Reformatories as babies and young children they knew about the brutal Abuse and torture and CHOSE to turn a blind eye.That Dept should NOT be allowed to have anything to do with compansation due directly for the survivors , Mary Coughlan must be a Sadist to want to continue our abuse by wanting to keep survivors due compansation in Government Coffers surly this is ILLEGAL if she insists on carrying this out.many detained children had Fathers who fought in WW2 were killed or left Injured with no welfare or any help for Mother’s ,Widow’s the Government and Catholic Church took advantage and sent out the mental zombie cruelty men to steal babies and children to work in Industrial reformatories ,Stolen Children we were.
Dear Kathleen, I’m glad that you have taken comfort in the words that Kate O’Malley offered. you or none of the Survivors have nothing ro be ashamed of!!! Children are blameless! That is ehat you all were!!!
Your
friend
Rob
Kathleen.
Having read a little of your horrendous experience, it beggars belief, that these were adults, whose care the Courts entrusted us into.
Ireland is corrupt, and those who run it should be ashamed of themselves. The least Mary Coughlen could have done, was had her secretary speak to you personally and in a compassionate manner letting you know the matter was in hand. You know what goes on in Ireland still amazes me. They don’t care, so don’t leave your self open. Expect nothing in this way you protect yourself from further hurt. good luck on Monday.
congratulations on your family whom you are clearly very proud of.
Kathleen. (O’Malley)
HALLO KATHLEEN THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR REPLY I CANT WAIT FOR MONDAY TO COME TO RING ATHLONE I WILL BE NICE AS PIE TO SEE IF MY REPORTS WENT IF NOT I SHALL RING MARY COUGHLAN OFFICE AND SEE WHAT THEY SAY IF THEY SAY THEY WE HAVE NO RECORD IM SURE THEY WILL HAVE SOME EXCUSE BECAUSE I WAS SO UPSET ON FRIDAY THEY WOULD GET ON TO ATHLONE AND HAVE A CURRIER TO BRING THEM TO THE OFFICE I WOULDNT PUT IT PAST THEM AND THANKS KATHLEEN IM VERY PROUD OF WHO I AM IVE DONE VERY WELL BY MY FOUR BEAUTIFUL CHILDREN ALL GROWN UP NOW AND HAPPLEY SETTLED THANK GOD I HAVE ALREADY THREATEND THEM WITH THE PRESS ON FRIDAY THEY WERE DOUMDFOUNDED THEY COULD ANSWER ME SO I PUT THE PHONE DOWN AND SAID YOU HAVE MY NUMBER KATHLEEN THE RESION I SENT THOSE REPORTS FOR THE HURT THE DEPARMENT OF EDUCATION TREATED ME FROM EIGHT MONTHS TILL I WAS SEVENTEEN DID YOU EVER HERE OF A CHILD AT SEVEN PUT IN WITH THREE BIG PIGS FOR A WEEK IN THE DARK OF NIGHT PLEAD FOR MY LIFE AND THEN TAKEN OUT AT THREE O CLOCK IN THE MORNING STRIPPED AND THROWN INTO NETTLES AND A LOT MORE BESIDES JESUS I WAS ONLY A BABY THATS WHY I SENT THEM TO MARY COUGHLEN BUT SEE WILL NEVER FEEL MY PAIN THANK YOU KATHLEEN KEEP IN TOUCH AND ALSO THANK YOU PAUL FOR YPUR SUPORT THANKS PADDY AND ROB
Hi. Kathleen.
IF you contact your local MP, explain what has happened ask him or her to look into the problem, i think he would be only too pleased to help, plus Mary Coughlan will become aware of your original complaint.
Hope this helps.
Best wishes Kathleen.
Paul Nolan.
hi rob emailed you this morning something wrong with my emails ill have to sort it out i will still be on this site and tell you and paddy whats going on thanks paddy and rob
Hi Kathleen.
My heart goes out to you. This woman knows little of Public Relations.
May I first say, do not be embarassed about your reports, yes’of course they are very personal to you. I can understand you wanting to deal with this personally. I remember being humiliated and desturbed by my Report, remember we have survived their demonic Acts and are here in spite of what they did to tell the tale. I also had an issue 8 years back with Athlone, I had some little clerk refuse me my Reports, when I asked why’ she said they were worried as Mentally I might not be able to deal with them. I gave them swift change and ordered they send them post haste by courier. they did.
Kathleen, Ireland it seems only identifies with abusive behaviour is now imbedded.
You are not responsible for what happened to you as a child but you are responsible for what happens to you now.
Sadly Ireland is now so used to hearing about its vile History of abuse, its now like water off a ducks back.
Step back and question why you had to have those reports. You and all of us have had to go through this cruel & wicked process because of those evil monsters.
Be Proud of who you are. You have guts and spirit to challenge them. They believed we would all behave as we did in those Slave Prisons.
Phone and demand your Reports be returned to you personally. If they stall you threaten them with the Press, do not let her Secretary fob you off. Be very firm, insist on the return of your property and a good point throw in your Human Rights. Plant your feet firmly on the ground and present your Case in a calm and positive way try not to show frustration or anger they know they have won then. The fact that they have acknowledged receipt of your documents remind her of this. Have you got a solicitor instruct them to persue this, that is what YOU are paying them for. Rest assured they will do very well from you case as they have done throughout this enquiry.
Good Luck and remember none of this is your fault.
Kathleen. (O’Malley.)
thanks paddy im waiting to here from kathleen for her view on this i know that the ministers secretary opens the letters it should have been filed at her desk for her alone to read i understand what paddy says thank you rob for your advice if there in athlone they will answer i know thats a goverment office but i didnt post it to athlone it was adressed to MARY COUGHLAN so what happeded all the other peoples emails and letters they sent to the minester are they all in athlone jesus help us they are still foging us of from billy to jack never slept a wink last night balling my eyes this morning its like some has riped me inside thank you once again MY FRIENDS
Kathleen,
Paddy is right the priority is the safe return of ALL documents and copies, it would be nice if you could get a written explanation of why they couldn’t find them within the “Department”. The Athlone comment is “hear say” but very distresing!!!(I appologise for not knowing about Athlone; but I think this is new to me?)There may be a case to answer but you need documentaion! Damage limitation FIRST! ie the damage to YOU!! YOU are the important thing in all this!! May be it can be used to help the cause after and cause embarasement to the government! BUT!!! YOU are my priority!!!
May be a solicitor may speed up the return; but you will not get an answer to where they were is you use one?
This of course is my best advice at the time?
I really feel for YOU!!
Your Friend Rob
Kathleen, there isn’t a government minister that opens his/her own post. Sadly your documents do land on the desk of the Minister’s secretary. However, I’ve no doubt that all documentation is treated in the strictest confidence. Perhaps a call to the ministers office asking for the immediate return of the documents sent to here would be the thing to do. Paddy.
paddy rob and kathleen i need your advice big time now im so upset shaking with temper can hardley breath well about eight weeks ago i sent my reports counselling reports plus my psychiatrist report personally to the minister of education MARY COUGHLAN for her alone to read the reports are very harrowing i also send another letter a few weeks later requesting a meeting with her well you never guess i got a phone call today from her private secretary to day 10th that minester caughtan was to busy to see me and could i write a letter to her but i said ive alread have sent her a letter with my reports she said she had no records of my reports they must be gone to athlone well i lost the rag how can they do that it was adressed to the minister i received a letter from her private margaret mcarthy on the 8th of july saying dear mrs brack i wish to acknowledge your recent letter concerning the issue you raised your correspondence will be brought to the MINESTER attention as soon as possible well how did it end up in athlone for every one to read but she said its confidential but how ever got it in athlone must have read now to me thats not on i only wanted the MINISTER TO READ IT its a breach of confidentially to the minister im not letting this go they have no right to sent it to athlone and my name and adress on it oh i feel dreadful to know that other people know what happens if there not in athlone who has got them especially with my adress on them as wll well paddy rob and kathleen thats the last straw for me IVE BEEN THROUGH IN MY LIFE im thinking of takeing legal action im waiting for you comments they have no right to make a mockery out of me our any one else there just throwing us aside thanks paddy rob and kathleen looking forward to your advice
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From: Robert Northall [mailto:rob.northall@ntlworld.com]
Sent: 10 September 2010 14:29
To: ‘info@barnardos.ie’
Subject: Consultation on the Statutory Fund
Dear Sirs,
It is my understanding that your organization was paid by the Irish Government to undertake Consultation on the Statutory Fund; As yet I have not had a reply from yourselves in regards to this matter?
I look forward to your organizations reply by return?
Yours sincerely
Rob. Northall
A copy is below for your convenience
________________________________________
From: Robert Northall [mailto:rob.northall@ntlworld.com]
Sent: 27 August 2010 11:30
To: ‘StatutoryFund@education.gov.ie’
Subject: The Consultation Period has not been publicised enough, is too Short! The Establishment of the Trust Fund is Unconstitutional
To my knowledge the Consultation Period has only been publicised in “The Independent” in Ireland and another News paper in Limerick!
Survivors Live all over the world!
Many of the Survivors do not have the Education that enables them to participate in this process.
C.O.R.I. has had the opportunity of Months of Consultation over this!
It is unconstitutional for the Government to be dictated to or Consult with C.O.R.I. over the use of “Additional Compensation”!
It is enshrined in The Irish Constitution!
*Prohibition of establishment: The state may not endow any religion (Article 44.2.2).
*Religious discrimination: The state may not discriminate on religious grounds (Article 44.2.3).
Discrimination can be positive as well as negative!!!
My wife who is a Survivor has asked me to tell you that the Money; All the “Additional Compensation” should be Distributed to Survivors!
Yours sincerely
Rob Northall
These are the Contact Details of the People that are supposed to be undertaking the Consultation Process!
Barnardos National Office
Christchurch Square-,
Dublin 8.
T: (01) 453 0355 Callsave: 1850 222 300
F: (01) 453 0300
E: info@barnardos.ie
I for one will be asking them for a reply to my Email
Your Friend Rob
Hi Folk’s, seem’s we all had the same reply, and i would hope that we can all take some heart from the sentence,” all comment’s and submission’s received, are being examined, and will be considered by the Government, before the legislation is opened at the Dail in the autumn.”
I would also hope that the exellent amount of publicity given by the media and tv on the Pope’s visit, plus the weight of our respective complaint’s and submission’s will result in some of our Irish Minister’s, showing some bottle, in agreeing with the Survivor’s in their battle for Justice and Fair treatment, and realise the seriousness of the Child Abuse that is Ireland’s and the Catholic Church’s Shame, and act accordingly, in seizing the opportunity to sort out this Sad and Sorry situation to every Survivor’s satisfaction!
Should they decide to plod on with their evil decision to cause further Abuse to the Survivor’s,most of who are in their elder year’s, then they will leave us no choice but to take our grievance to the European Court’s of Justice. The ball is firmly in their court now. We are not, and as long as we are alive, GOING AWAY! If we are forced to go to the European Court, i for one, will not worry about their Gagging order, and i am sure their are many with like opinion. There are thousand’s of Irish men and Women, who are living with the Sad and Disgusting memorie’s of much Abuse, living with the knock on effect’s of their Sad Childhood’s, all thank’s to very sick and cruel outfit’s , that are called the Irish State, and the Catholic Church. Abused in their Childhood,and now living with the prospect of being further Abused in their old age! By today’s present She’ite Government!
Dead Man , i too also hate the word Survivor, but not as much as the R/C/Church, and the Irish State. But keep up your spirit’s, we are all in this together, your not alone.
Rob, enlisted today to your New site,Shame of Ireland , hope it become’s an asset to you and it’s member’s.
Regard’s all,
Jimmy.
PS, WHILE WRITING HERE, I’M LISTENING TO RTE,RADIO 1, AND I’VE JUST HEARD THE BELL’S, RING THE MIDDAY ANGELUS, AND IT TRIGGERED MEMORIE’S FOR ME ,OF BEING STOPPED DEAD AT WHAT WE WERE DOING IN THE YARD OF THE INSTITUTION, AT 6PM IN THE EVENING, TO SAY THE ANGELUS, THEN BEING BEATEN , RAPED , AND STARVED BY THE SAME RELIGIOUS, WHO RECITED THE ANGELUS PRAYER’S! MAYBE ALL IN THE SAME DAY!
Rose; The Petition is there for anyone to see; I regularly copy and paste it into Microsoft Word; just in case it dissapears it can be submitted at any time by anyone; as you know as with the http://shameofireland.co.uk/ it doesn’t belong to me! It belongs to the survivors! D.M.W. I am glad you are a survivors; I hate what it means too; As my wife says she wouldn’t dream of giving them the satisfaction!! Keep on Keeping on!!
Together we are Stronger!!!
The Religious orders have made an apology and agreed to compensate us child Victims who they neglected, Abused,tortured in Industrial Reformatory’s ,now the funding for victims compensation has been handed over>To WHOM may I ask? What on earth has the Dept Of Education and Skills got to do with our compensation? That Dept was involved in the shocking Abuse of Irish Children in the first place so they should have nothing whatsoever to do with it. The religious orders have all our names they should contact each one of us directly and pay to each Survivor their overdue compensation SO WE THEN CAN MOVE ON WITH OUR LIVES and not be tied to our brutal past any more.
what T D has stepped up to the plate and made sure us survivors get justice ! survivors i hate the word but that is what i am !! daily weekly at times hourly … 52 weeks of the year i survive !
Kathleen, I guess we all got the same reply.
Rob, why wait till end of September with the petition, the legislation could be put through before then.?
Hi Everyone.
I have just received a reply from the Statutory Fund, acknowledging my letter. It has no “Heading” and could have been typed by anyone I would be so bold as to hazard a guess that this is a response to placate us so that we go away and be happy. What do we have to do for the Irish Government to take notice of us, they are and always have been a Law unto themselves. Is this the exact copy that you have received. Is there any weight to this?
Kathleen O’Malley.
Dear Ms O’Malley,
Statutory Fund show details 15:51 (2 hours ago)
I wish to acknowledge receipt of your e-mail of 29 August regarding the proposed Statutory Fund to support the needs of survivors of Residential Institutional Child Abuse. All comments and submissions received as part of the consultation process are being examined. The precise arrangements for the Statutory Fund will be considered by the Government and it is anticipated that the relevant legislation will be brought before Dáil Éireann in the Autumn.
Yours sincerely,
Aongus Ó hAonghusa,
Assistant Principal Officer,
Residential Institutions Redress Unit,
Department of Education and Skills,
Marlborough Street
Dublin 1.
Tel: 01-8892014
Most victims do not live in Ireland nor the UK,I have never used any of the so called services,years ago *I tried to find help in finding siblings none of the so called services wanted to know I travelled a very long way to Ireland first visit back I only had 12 days went to Nova I had rung up first when I got there the person there told me to go upstairs and have a cup of tea ,that was it, no one wanted to talk with me no help whatever except one damaged woman told me not to go to the Aislinn when I told her my name I asked why and was told Mrs B had said if anyone sees me not to talk to me I wonder why??since I have had no contact since GB perhaps she is paid and has been to keep older victims away well out of the limelight not only in case we take some of her fame ,but more-so she has been doing the governments work and well paid for it she is the one who had it easy compared to most of us in GB that is the truth. Why would any government hand over a very expensive building with huge funding to anyone ? I always smelt a Huge RAT
This is alve!
and soon to be Kicking!
May be a few structural changes
But will continue to function
I would prefer it if ther where no “user names” as we are all friends (Transparency)
http://shameofireland.co.uk
any questions???
rob.northall@ntlworld.com
I had a reply too. Now I guess we wait to see
if they will carry out their plan regardless of our views.
only when they hand back the 500 mil !!!
PS to my last post!
The mail address on the reply is “The Stautory Fund”????? Many Questions???
Your Friend Rob
So did I. Happy days are here again!!!!! Paddy.
I got an email from the department today to say they received my submission re the fund.
Hi Folk’s , Yes, today i had a reply from the Education Office, indicating that all submission’s and comment’s are to be looked at and cosidered , before their autumn meeting, and i understand our friend in Canada,Seanie, also got the same reply. Rob, you have my permission to put it on here if you like.
Regard’s Jimmy.
The Administration Costs alone for the setting up of the Illegal Statuary Trust will EAT A VAST CHUNK of THAT compensation. THEN THE MASSIVE WAGES AND ADDED COSTS CLAIMED BY THE ADMINISTRATOR’S MANAGEMENT,LAWYERS THEIR SECRETARIES ,WAGES FOR THIS AND THAT AND COSTS ,AND OTHER STAFF. O’H YES LETS NOT FORGET THE SO CALLED GROUP LEADERS KISSING THE GOVERNMENTS A****.
Phil, I think it is time we all reminded them that consultation is a 2 way street; don’t you?
Good Morning.
Last night the BBC2 gave a full airing to the Pope and his cronies, exposing their massive cover up on “Child Sexual Abuse”.
The Catholic Church can no longer pretend to be INNOCENT. How the Pope can continue with his visit to the U.K. is beyond me. He can have no self respect. We have waited for this for a long time.
Of course this trip is all about Raising more money for the the Church and his “Prada Shoes”. I can’t remember ever seeing Christ wearing designer shoes.
Keep your replies going on what your views are.
Kathleen O’Malley.
Rob
You are quite right Consultation is suposed to be a two way
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_consultation
The Statutory Fund will become Law when it is Read in the Parliament some time this month.
The Petition is standing at a disappointing 194?
I have contacted Petitions.ie about difficulties for the second time but don’t expect a reply??
Any one had a reply to their CONSULTATION?? I haven’t???
Going to ask them why? Thought Consultation was a 2 way thing?
Your
Friend
Rob
Setting up website for “Shame Of Ireland” as we speak! Tell me what features you want? It belongs to YOU!!
I will Try and accomodate as many features as I can!
Discusion will be carried out on “The God Squad” Where it Belongs!! This I hope with Paddys approval will act as a “Sister Site” with voting on issues that we feel strongly about! “Representation without Leadership”
If I can fine tune it we can VOTE on ALL ISSUES and have what has never been done before MANDATED SPOKES PEOPLE!!
Democracy Inclusion and Transparency for ALL I hope YOU ALL! APPPROVE???
ideas to
rob.northall@ntlworld.com
PLEASE???
Your Friend Rob
Have you voted at
http://www.petitions.ie/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=238&Itemid=9&latestnews=latest
when you yote you need to click on a confirmation link for your vote to be counted!
Paddy will be able to use this as mandate to bring the vaccine trail to the public!
If you are on Facebook Join the “Shame Of Ireland” also available on yahoogroups!
We will soon have our own website!!
Will update you when I know more!
Your
Friend
Rob.
when the so called religious orders stole babies and sold them to rich American’s and others were they NOT only thinking of the money they made??when the religious orders were using irish children as slave labour were they NOT thinking of the money they made which they spent on buying more property for themselves for themselves.Now the irish Government are thinking of keeping the money owed to victims ,are they NOT only thinking of the Money ??group leaders SO CALLED self appointment , are they NOT only thinking of the money they will get ???????
Christine West, Mrs Buckley why did you using funding you receive for your group to Promote yourself for an award. Websites are all just about you ,you do NOT represent 98 per cent of the real Victims this Illegal statuary Trust Fund that you want of course,IS so you can keep receiving large funding for YOURSELF, your friends and family,while real Victims have been pushed out in the cold some Bullied into silence ,I HEARD THAT YOU HAVE BEEN TO SECRET MEETINGS WITH MARY COUGHLAN AS TO WHAT;YOU BELIEVE SHOULD HAPPEN TO VICTIMS COMPENSATION ,HOW DARE YOU . Mr and Mrs Waters who claim to represent survivors HOW???? what happened to the huge funding they were given ????for Avoca House which has been and is let out to Polish, Russian, ECT ; none of you will represent me and Never WHY ARE VICTIMS OF INDUSTRIAL REFORMATORY’S STILL HOMELESS ,ALONE,SICK, many have had no help in tracing siblings and had to rely on the SALVATION ARMY for that help,many without success,Many who made the first trip back have had to be TOURISTS staying in hotels and found that there was NO help at all from any quarter many ended up at the office of Barnardos seeking help in finding siblings or lost Family members ,,None of the so called Group ‘s wanted to know ,Nova was a total waste of time,of those of us who spent our childhoods in goldenbridge reformatory from 1930-1963 many sadly have died ,most that are still alive live in; EXILE, in many different country’s in the world WHICH DON’T BELONG TO ANY GROUP. all those groups who apply for funding must OPEN their books and show all the names you say you represent and where every Euro accounted for in the public domain,as for this statuary trust fund idea that is to hold Victims Back in SILENCE so we have to go with a begging bowl to be told to Get lost, every Victim in order to move on from our brutal cruel dark past must be Properly Compensated individually well away from Groups. NO TO THE STATUARY TRUST FUND, IT’S A CON
Well said Jimmy!
“All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.” – Edmund Burke
It is this that spurs me on to try and do something for our cause everyday! And I am sure that Paddy Kate and the rest of us have a similar single phrase that drives us all!
Where were these “Good Men” and “Good Women” during the Commission into Child Abuse?
Where are they now when we are seeking Justice over the Indemnity Deal? The Perpetrators of the deeds is the Industrial schools will not be prosecuted because of the “Hearsay” nature of the complaints at the “Redress Board”; and the fact that it was not a properly convened “Court”! In spite of its hostile nature against those bringing evidence?
Where are these Good Men and Women now?
Can we find them?
Can we get them to break their vow of silence??
They could help us in our struggle for real “Justice”?
Your
Friend
Rob
Jimmy.
Thank you, as a Nation of Children we were treated worse than animals, removed from loving Families our crime was being born poor. We must not forget the Religious were beyond reproach, consequently the N.S.P.C.C., Judge McCarthy etc committed innocent Children to a life of Slavery including the State. Then by order from the Religious delivered us to these Institutions when they received a “Bounty” for each Child and they did not exercise a duty of care. Paddy don’t worry about me mentioning Judge McCarthy name, I have my Court papers and his name is registered there.
Jimmy I have yet to hear from a Survivor who could not relate to my Book. One would think the Religious Orders attended a University and qualified there in “Domestivc Violence” and Sexual Abuse. Even hardened Criminals do not abuse Children.
Kathleen O’Malley.
I have just read “Childhood Interrupted” by our Friend and fellow Survivor, Kathleen O’Malley.
To date i have also read a number of other book’s ,written by Survivor’s, about their respective experience’s and live’s .All very well written and very commendible.
Kathleen’s book was , without doubt, very moving , very sad, and covered on the very matter’s that i feel clearly show the evil and sick way’s of the R/C/Church in it’s so called care and attention of the Children who had the unfortunate experience of passing through it Institution’s, Magdalan Laundrie’s, And Convent’s.
It was very interesting to note that Kathleen was honest in her assesment of the various Nun’s, and remarked on the kindness and care of any Nun ‘s that merited it. Sadly , only a handful, but i have the same view’s of some of the Clergy who were the same with me in my internment, again, sadly , only a handful. What has alway’s upset me however, is the fact that the good one’s knew about the abuse that went on, but done nothing about it, for one reason or another.
I would like to see Kathleen’s and all other Survivor’s book’s brought to the attention of the Pope, and all the Head’s of the Institution’s , Convent’s, etc, in Holy Ireland, and also The Irish Government.
Kathleen, in Her capacity of being a qualified Magistrate,and also a Victim of an Institution for a lot of her Childhood, is without doubt, an inspiration to me , and i beleive , many Survivor’s who are unable to air their view.s. In her book , Kathleen managed to get accross many area’s that i , and no doubt other’s here,have long wanted to say, and expose.
This further give’s me confidence in my previous view’s that Kathleen , along with Paddy , would do us proud in representing Survivor’s.
Be strong,
Jimmy.
Just when I was feeling down and that my hard work was not paying off!
Someone! And YOU know who you are? Offered me a fully functioning Website for “The Shame Of Ireland”!
This is proof that God Exists; and he/she is on the side of the Survivors!
The website is PAID for! For 1 year!!!
I will let you know when I know more!!!
But I am sure you will want to join me in saying a big
THANK YOU!!
Your
Friend
Rob
I have records given to me by the “Religious Archives” confirming each year that I had all of my inoculations and a good stable diet. (One sausage a year and one egg, if one didn’t laugh one would go demented) Why should I require Polio, Diphtheria Etc, annually? of course they used us as Guinea Pigs,
A without our Parents consent.
B. I dare say they were paid handsomely by the Drugs Company.
I challenge C.O.R.I.to deny this.
Kathleen O’Malley.
Hi Rob, Thank’s for your kind comment’s, and the information on the asset’s of the CORI MEMBER’S. When you see how wealthy they , and the entire R/R/Curch, inc the Vatican, are , the mind boggle’s!
The Land, Property, and Cash that we are being made to beg for, will hardly make a dent in their fortune’s, and overall, i cant understand why the Religious cant access the total amount of money their contribution’s reflect , and redress the Survivor’s themselve’s, without the interference of the Irish Government. They know who we are, we all passed through their Institution’s, and i beleive it is in their power to secure the total funding from their Banker’s in Rome! But maybe i’m dreaming out loud, the reality being that they dont want to follow up their apoligy’s by putting the money where their mouth’s are!
Action’s are supposed to speak louder than mere word’s, so it would be nice to see some fair play and justice sparked off by the Irish State, in listening to what the majority of Survivor’e want, and taking the right course of Action. Their LEGACY is in their hand’s now, they have a chance to correct the many wrong’s they are responsible for down the year’s, and deliver to all Survivor’s , what the Religious wish us to have.
Regard’s Jimmy.
Dear Jimmy I agree with everything you say!
The Truts Fund is about being considered, I want US to be considered then we can talk about the rest of the money!
Your
Friend
Rob
PS I hope you ALL cope with the rest the post!
I am Fuming angerier than I have been!!
Assets of C.O.R.I. Members
Source http://www.independent.ie/national-news/what-each-of-the-congregations-has-on-its-books-2141987.html
Christian Brothers
3.2
430
3.5
14
6.2
159
40.2
Total 656.1
Brothers of Charity
102
58
3.1
21.4
Total 184.5
Oblates of Mary Immaculate
8.5
5.6
12.4
12.1
1.9
5.7
8.4
Total 54.6
Presentation Brothers
21
6.3
21
Total 48.3
Sisters Of Mercy
412
256
200
59
71
Total 998
Presentation Sisters
98
218
154
11
Total 481
Sisters of Charity
207.2
26
64
85
53
5
Total 440.2
Grand Total 2862.7
Figures are in Million Euros
Is that 2.8 Billion give or take 62 million?
As we Welsh say “CHWARE TEG!”
“For many are chilled, but few are frozen”
or is it , “Many are called, but few are chosen”
Whatever, all Survivor’s, i feel, should rally round and support each other, any bad feeling’s or apparent bitchiness between Survivor’s is not helping, it is just giving fodder for those that want to cause us more grief in our old age. Like the State is proposing, to deprieve us of our access to the Contribution’s the Religious wish us to have. We have all had our share of abuse in our live’s, which the Religious have admitted to , and want to redress their damage to us, by way of their contribution’s, and it is in all our common interest’s to let the Government know that their Proposed Trust Fund is not wanted by the majority of Survivor’s.
The total amount of Contribution’s,turned into cash, would enable the Government the opportunity to not only address the Survivor’s, but to build the Children’s Hospital, and call an end to this entire situation, allowing Survivor’s to achieve closure on their sad and damaged live’s.
The Government have the power to do what is right and just, and maybe restore some of the vast amount of respect they have lost over the year’s, the ball is now in their court, the world is very aware of the Pope’s visit soon to the UK, Do the Government really think it is a good idea to deprieve the Survivor’s of what the Religious wish them to have, at the same time as the Pope’s visit?
Keep Strong Survivor’s,
Jimmy.
The saying “United we stand, divided we fall” comes to mind as does “There’s strength in numbers”. Paddy
Dear Kathy and May.
I was greatly saddened and surprised by your comments about me. I was of the understanding we were friends and on the same side.
We are all reaching for the same goal. Is it not better we unite and be as one.
Each and every one of us have suffered at the hands of the so called Religious. Let us put our sadness/anger to a positive route and shame the perpetrators.
Kathleen O’Malley.
Hi Rob, Thank’s for that, last thing i want to do is fall out with you or anyone like us,fighting our own corner’s, but united in our aim’s.
Sorry, i guess i misunderstood , your post after mine, thought it was directed at me. their ye go, show’s we are all effected by our background’s, and for my part, react badly if intimidated by anyone now a day’s . hope you understand.
Sexually abused, physicaly abused and menth-aly abused in my Childhood and Youth , has left me with this situation, hense my hatred of the R/C/Church. And the Irish Government.
Your doing us proud Rob, with all your help and advice, and i wish many other’s would take as much interest in our fight for fair play and justice,but i feel many have thrown in the towel, and , in their old age, have given up the ghost.
However, i know their are many , who have contacted the Irish Government, and various Ambassador’s througout the world, regarding our present situation,so , who know’s, perhap’s when the TD’s come back of their holiday’s, and see the mountain of Survivor’s protest’s , and the possibility that their will be lot’s of demonstration’s ,march’s, and even hunger strike’s outside the Dail, at the same time as the Pope visit’s the UK, plus the recent new’s that a man in the UK, is currently taking the R/C/Church to Court for abuse he suffered at the hand’s of a Catholic Priest in Preston. He is looking for £5 million pound’s, and i wish him luck. If he win’s, it will no doubt, reflect on the Irish Redress board badly, as they paid pennie’s to many , who were abused in Irish Institution’s, by many. On top of that, the publicity, will no doubt open up a can of worm’s,and bring out many other’s who experienced the same sexual abuse , while in care in Institution’s in the UK.
I hang on , very much to saying’s my Mother taught me Rob, one in particular, ” What goes round, come’s round!” I sincerily hope that is correct in this situation.
The R/C/Church , as far as i’m concerned, is evil, corrupt, and has the character of the Mafia, and Hitler. They are all up their together ! They have committed the very worst crime’s aginst mankind, and are very responsible for so much damage to so many througout the world.
My view is that the Irish Government want to be up their with them, as their attitude to Survivor’s request’s for fair play, show’s!
They are certainly well qualified , just look at the state they have their country in at present. Much like many of the UK Minister’s, they are all out for themselve’s, greedy and not worried about the folk they are supposed to represent.
The celtic tiger is banjaxed, Irish folk are emigrating again on a grand scale, and before long , i can see most of the Irish politition’s moving to their villa’s in
Portogul, Spain, and other exotic place’s,
to live out their live’s on all the money they fleeced out of their countrymen. Their attitude seem’s to be ” fk you jack, i’m allright”
Sorry Rob, but allthough i voted against the TrustFund, and signed petition’s, sent email’s etc, and expressed my view’s to the Government, I feel very strongly, that we should be fighting the Government for ALL the contribution’s the Religious left to us, the land’s, the property and cash. Whatever the land’s and Property are worth, they have it in their power to turn it it into cash, and distribute it between the Survivor’s.
They can find Million’s to donate to Pakistan, so why cant they find the solution to our problem’s. We are their people, and our cause merit’s much consideration. They are the Basket’s that are responsible for the crap in our live’s, the damage and abuse , the spoilt Childhood’s, Torture, Trauma, the Suicides,
the Cruelty man, the Clerical Paedophile’s, The breakup of family’s,The twisted Nun’s,
Imprisonment of Children, The Poor Children in Institution’s used as guinea pig’s, and not to mention the amount of Children born and farmed out to Resident’s of the USA, taken from their innocent Mother’s in their care at the Magdalan gulag’s througout Holy Ireland.
Rob, i’m not worried about the sharing of the measly £110 million, as you say , it would be just pennie’s , to everyone, BUT, the fact of the matter is , the Religious contributed Land, Property, and Cash, which if all converted to hard cash, would be enough to give everyone a fair deal, and also build the Hospital for Children. It would also allow the Government to arrest this situatin and put matter’s right for all Survivor’s. And maybe retrieve some respect. But , they can proceed with their proposed plan’s, and earn themselve’s the credibility they have built up , A LEGACY TO BE ASHAMED OF !!
Regard’s,
Jimmy.
Dear Jimmy,
I have Just reread the posts I put up earlier and you post appeared in between 2 of mine that are linked the Misdirection that I refer to is that when I felt let down by my friend who said he would vote on the petition and I did not see his name I sent him an abrupt email, he had voted but did not click the confirmation email. This has happened quite a lot! And people where falling out with their friends as I almost did? I hope this makes it clearer
Your
Friend
Rob
Dear Jimmy,
My apologies if you feel that my comment was directed at you or this site? It was not! It was meant to be motivational! Your anger is always directed it the right direction, and your passion comes from the heart!
Hi Rob,
Not exactly sure what you mean by misdirected energy here, or if your post was directed to me after my posting to Paddy.
From where im standing , this site , i beleive, is for folk to talk to each other, and is for everybody to air their view’s, and my post was to Paddy, and not meant to offend anyone. Perhap’s im reading this wrong, and if that is the case, please allow me to state, that as regard’s anger, and frustration, i carry bucket load’s of that, and i will state that in my posting’s, and anywhere else i can. It is my way of showing my blind rage, and like many Survivor’s, i feel i have the right to. I would have no problem with Paddy or anyone else relaying my posting’s to the clergy or the Government, if it rattle’s their cage’s!
Apart from that, i do my fair share of fighting for our cause, and have the right to do it how i see fit, and to get the best effect.
Regard’s Jimmy.
P.S. Friends have been falling out because of the lack of understanding of the confirmation link at petitions.ie!
So if your friends have voted?
And their name isn’t there; Give them a gentle reminder!
Check here >
http://www.petitions.ie/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=238&Itemid=9&latestnews=latest
By the way Paddy, be glad to give you and Kathleen my full support to represent Survivor’s . Your respected and trusted , and give everyone here a chance to air their view’s, which is much appreciated.
Keep up the good work.
Kind regard’s
Jimmy.
There is so much misdirected energy associated with this Cause!
We need to be able to turn the Blind Rage in to Anger!
Anger into Frustration!
Frustration into Action!
Then Direct that Action for the good of the Cause!
I make it sound so easy!
I know it is not!
The one thing I do Know WE are all Passionate about this!
What WE Need is Focus!
Promote the Petition at Petitions.ie
Make sure every one understands that if they don’t click on the Confirmation in the Email they receive their vote won’t count!
We have lost so many Votes already, because people are not used to signing online Petitions.
This does not become law until it is read in Parliament!
Have they set a date?
That is our deadline!!
Hi Paddy, well done for raising the issue of the Vaccine Trial’s, which i read about in today’s Independent.It is indeed an area that merit’s investigating, and exposing, and further proof of the abuse the religious of Ireland allowed to be inflicted on the Children in their care.
The record of the R/C/Church ,in Ireland, highlighted down the year’s by the Ryan, Murphy, and various other report’s, clearly indicates the need for People intending to travel to the UK for the Pope’s visit, to stop in their track’s , and ask themselves, do they really want to patronise an outfit from Rome, that is , without doubt, responsible for Thousand’s of Children’s Abuse,not only in Ireland ,but throughout the world?
Sexual, Physical,and Mental Damage, earning money from allowing Vaccine Trial’s , earning money from taking Baby’s from the Mother’s and farming them out to adoption folk in the USA, earning much income from the sweat of the Ladies working long hour’s to scrub the laundry of Hospital’s, Hotel’s etc, in their Magdalene Gulag’s, while the fear of God was beaten into them, being deprived of decent food, decent condition’s, decent education, and those that made it out of these institution’s , were traumatised, badly damaged, and certainly not qualified to face the world . That applies to nearly every man and woman that experienced these Institution’s.
To the Pope and the Irish Government, you both have a Legacy that is absolute nothing to be proud of, and all though i know their were good Priest’s and Nun’s , not to mention good TD’s, the fact that they were witness to the Abuse in their midst, THEY DONE NOTHING ABOUT IT! Yet they all knew, and i can prove that many complaint’s and allegation’s were simply swept under the carpet by the Irish Government.
Keep Strong Paddy, and thanks for all your hard work on Survivor’s behalf.
Jimmy.
Jackie,
if you are on facebook look up “The Shame Of Ireland”
We wear our badge with pride!
Join us and WE can change things!
It is a numbers thing!
together we are STRONGER!
Facebook is imperfect!
But it will do for now;
Until I can research cheap hosting with the features I need for Democracy; Instant membership voting; No Leadership! Just empowered people with a Spokesperson or two or three…… ALL Mandated!!!!!!!
This is my Dream! I have been working hard to make it REAL!
Inspite of my Personal circumstances.
Martin Luther King said it Once!
But I to have a DREAM!!!!!!!!!!!!
If we can get away from what devides us!
And the disapppointment of the Past “Representation” WE can build on this!
It is time to roll up our shirt sleeves!
There is work to be done!!!
Your
Friend
Rob
i voted against the trust fund, and also am happy to have Kathleen O’Malley and Paddy Doyle represent the survivors.
my uncle is a security guard and his licence is needing to be renewed or he will be out of work. We asked the trust fund for help but was told that they will help IF it gets a person back to work but not to KEEP a person in work.
Why should survivors who have been through enough have to go begging for help only to be told no. Do you not think they have suffered enough?
i know Kathleen O’Malley and i KNOW she will give the survivors a strong voice, she will do her best to help the survivors.
i’ve watched my mother as she has had to relive the horrors of what happened to her. She is an amazing strong woman whom i am very proud of and i want to know she has someone like Kathleen O’Malley giving her a voice, knowing she will do the best she can for ALL of the survivors!!!
Thanks Rob… and Thanks to you Paddy for this site.
Rob, just so you know. When you make up the link to facebook, there is and “!” mark coming into the link just after “wall#”. If that ! mark is left in, the link will not work. I’ve removed it and the link works. Paddy.
IMPORTANT!!! IMPORTANT!!!
For those of you that live in and around Dublin
There is a Planned Picket of the
Papal Nuncios House
Navan Rd
On SATURDAY 28th AUGUST!!!!!!
Form 2pm till 4pm
For further information and to confirm attendance contact
Kevin@religiousabusetruth@gmail.com
I apologise that I have only found out about the detail Today!!!
Sharon can now be found on “The Shame Of Ireland” on Facebook!
Hi Liz, Sharons Page has ben taken down! I do not know why? Search “The Shame Of Ireland” on Facebook?
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=147073735313917&v=wall#/group.php?gid=147073735313917&v=info
She is redirecting everyone there!
Regards Rob.
would anyone have a clue what happened the site on facebook went/?
Thank you for signing my friend; I hope you havethe opporninity to encourage other?
I have made a complaint to the BBC about the lack of coverage inthe media about this!
The petition runs till the end of September with great deal of effort we can still do it without them!!!!!!
Your
Friend
Rob
“He who is not my Enemy is my Friend”
Most of the Enemy wear Black and Purple Dresses, the others are Politicians, and thieir faces are well known!!
at least we should get an extension ! where as you said are the press who used our stories to make profits !! ive signed the petition and thanks again for your work on this
http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?topic=128&post=290&uid=147073735313917#/group.php?gid=147073735313917&v=info
There is also a new Group on facebook! You can do a lot whilst at your computer!
Take heart!
Your Friend Rob
dead man walking take heart! Have you signed the Petition
http://www.petitions.ie/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=238&Itemid=9&latestnews=latest
We need to get the WORLD to sign this: It will give everyone a mandate to be heard! If we can get a strong enough petition; they will have to revisit things they thought were over; Like the Illegal Indemnity deal.
A bancrupt C.O.R.I. would be a start – Compensation and Justice in one fell swoop!!
When you vote at petitions.ie you will be sent a confirmation email to the email account you supplied; your vote will not count until you click this link. Make sure you check your Junk email Folder?
Revisit the site and check your name is there?
Regards Rob
no surprises there rob …… truth is our time for justice seems hopeless ….was bad enuff before and unbearable now ….
From: Robert Northall [mailto:rob.northall@ntlworld.com]
Sent: 25 August 2010 09:26
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Subject: This is the world we live! Sad but true!
Watched the Channel 5 News in the UK last night!
Put a Cat in a wheelie Bin thousands join a facebook group to protest!
(I am not condoning ill treatment of animals)
Put a petition on the internet to get Justice for Survivors of the Industrial School System and struggle to get any Votes??
Is this because the people this petition is there to help are mainly Elderly and they Have difficulty with I.T.
Or is it because the Media Just doesn’t care? Type “Statutory Trust Fund” into any search engine?
See what results you get?
Now try typing “Cat in Wheelie Bin”
For those of you on Facebook
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=147073735313917&v=wall#/group.php?gid=147073735313917&v=info
Promoting the petition on Facebook
Anna is right
“All else is distraction”
We need to take the Petition WORLD WIDE!
http://www.petitions.ie/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=238&Itemid=9&latestnews=latest
I am still working hard at this I hope WE all are?
Regards Rob
I do not need further education,my commom sense has seen me through many a dilemma,I have never availed of the education fund thus far but could have done with Financial help and support,,,yes I could,unfortunately I lost faith in group meetings a long time ago.It is near impossibe for so called group leaders to express the needs of evey person they claim to represent.Many people were asked to sign their name when they attended meetings regarding the redress scheme,,I imagine those lists of names/figures are what are being presented as being affilliated with different groups.I have attended no group meeting for 4 years and in that time I have recieved perhaps 4 letters,I knew nothing of this Statutory fund until recently and the offers of Contibutions to survivors should mean exactly that,the money is being offered to the survivors and none other than survivors should be empowered to decide how they would like this distributed.I believe that every survivor should have been awarded the highest award as has been seen in some High Court cases. As for JL I would’nt waste my energy debating with him/her,we have far more pressing matters to deal with. I hope you and the family are very well Paddy. Slan for now.
So I’m listening to Joe Duffy today, with the voting for the new President of Ireland next year. My thoughts went back to the last time Ireland voted for their new President and I remembered Ms.Christine Buckley went in the run but their you are. So I “Googled” Christine Buckley for president and look what I found
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Vote-Christine-Buckley-for-European-Volunteer-of-Year/217100075791
Now the reason why I find this absolutely AMAZING, is that the PEOPLE Ms.BUCKLEY purports to represent as their Group Leader, do NOT HAVE ACCESS TO A WEBSITE. That’s right, with all the money the Irish Government has handed out to Ms.Buckley and the like there still are NO WEBSITES. We all come to Paddy Doyle’s site to get any news.
Now, I’m also wondering How can the Department of Education have talks with any of these So Called “UNMANDATED” Group Leaders, in this day and age when they have NOT got the tools to communicate with their members.
Thought for the day
by Phil
I Think Jimmy has hit the nail on the head and why we are all so aggrieved is that the Government put the Cart before the Horse; ie the Redress Board and the Indemnity Deal before the Ryan Report; The Fact that the Church Claimed Diplomatic immunity for the both th Ryan Commission and the Murphy Commission is also another Gigantic issue; compounded by the fact that the Government allowed them to!
If we can get a strong enough petition; they will have to revisit things they thought were over; Like the Illegal Indemnity deal.
A bankrupt C.O.R.I. would be a start – Compensation and Justice in one fell swoop!!
We all need to promote the petition
http://www.petitions.ie/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=238&Itemid=9&latestnews=latest
LJ, DOES THAT STAND FOR “LACKING JUDGEMENT”?
FOR YOUR INFORMATION, JUSTICE, AS FAR AS I’M CONCERNED, WOULD BE IN SEEING THE MANY EVIL AND NASTY CLERGY AMONG THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH, WHO INFLICTED SO MUCH ABUSE AND DAMAGE DOWN THE YEAR’S ON THE CHILDREN IN THEIR CARE, BEING BROUGHT TO COURT AND CHARGED WITH THEIR DISGUSTING CRIME’S. TO BE EXPOSED, AND PUNISHED, AND MADE TO PAY FOR THEIR WICKED WAY’S.
THERE ARE QUITE A FEW QUESTION’S I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE ANSWERED BY THE R/C CHURCH, LIKE , WHAT PIECE OF LOWLIFE DESIGNED AND MADE THE MANY TYPE’S OF LEATHER STRAP’S THEY USED TO BEAT MANY CHILDREN, WITHIN INCH’S OF THEIR SAD LIVE’S? IT IS SO HARD TO IMAGINE THAT SOME BASKET, WEARING THE WHITE COLLAR , WENT TO SO MUCH TROUBLE WITH THAT IDEA , ON BEHALF OF HIS RELIGION.
ANOTHER QUESTION, WHY AT CONFESSION, WOULD A PRIEST TELL ME TO GO OUT AND SAY MY PENANCE, AND ALSO PRAY FOR A PAEDOPHILE BROTHER WHO WAS ABUSING AND RAPING ME? AFTER I HAD ASKED HIM TO HAVE A WORD WITH THAT BROTHER TO LEAVE ME ALONE! THE PRIEST SAID, WE KNOW HE IS A BAD MAN, BUT OUR VOW’S WILL NOT ALLOW US TO INTERFER, WE MUST PRAY FOR HIS SALVATION! I WAS 12 YEAR OLD, BEING TOLD TO PRAY FOR MY ABUSER!
THE RYAN , MURPHY, AND OTHER REPORT’S, WERE RESPONCIBLE FOR THE RELIGIOUS IN IRELAND FINALLY ADDMITTING THEIR ABUSE, AND APOLIGIZING,AND MAKING CONTRIBUTION’S OF LAND, PROPERTY, AND CASH, BY WAY OF ADDRESSING THE DAMAGE CAUSED TO SO MANY CHILDREN, THOSE OF US WHO ARE NOW LUCKY TO BE ALIVE, BUT NOW IN OUR ELDER YEAR’S.
NOW , IT SEEM’S THE GOVERNMENT , WANT TO ABUSE US ALL OVER AGAIN, BY DENYING US THE REDRESS THE RELIGIOUS WISH US TO HAVE, IN THEIR PROPOSAL TO SET UP A TRUST FUND, WHICH NO SURVIVOR WANT’S, AND THEIR REFUSAL TO ALLOW US TO HAVE A VOICE ON THE MATTER, BY WAY OF A BALLOT.
MY FEAR IS THAT THE GOVERNMENT WANT ACCESS TO THESE CONTRIBUTION’S , TO BAIL OUT THE SORRY STATE THEY HAVE THEIR COUNTRY IN,AS INDICATED IN THEIR PLAN’S TO BUILD A CHILDREN’S HOSPITAL , USING THIS MONEY INTENDED FOR SURVIVOR’S.
I FOR ONE, WOULD NOT OBJECT TO SOME OF THE FUND’S GOING TOWARD’S THE HOSPITAL PROJECT, IF AT THE SAME TIME THE ENTIRE CONTRIBUTION’S FROM THE RELIGIOUS WERE CONVERTED TO HARD CASH, AND SHARED OUT BETWEEN ALL WHO IT WAS INTENDED FOR, AND THAT WAY EVERYONE WOULD RECEIVE A BIT MORE THAN MERE PENNIE’S!
LJ, LIKE SO MANY OF FELLOW SURVIVOR’S, OUR CRAP AND SAD LIVE’S TAXED US MANY MANY WAY’S, AND WE HAVE FAMILY’S, SO IT’S NO LIE’S WHEN I SAY THAT IF THE CONTRIBUTION’S WERE SHARED OUT AS INTENDED BY THE RELIGIOUS, WE WOULD BE ALL IN A POSITION TO REDRESS OUR CHILDREN, AND PERHAP’S REPAIR AREA’S WHERE WE FAILED THEM, SIMPLY BECAUSE WE KNEW NO BETTER.
GREED HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH IT, BEING SHORTCHANGED, AND FURTHER ABUSED, IS WITHOUT DOUBT WHAT IT IS ALL ABOUT , IN MY MIND ANYWAY. REDRESS BOARD WAS ILLEGAL, GAGGING ORDER’S THE SAME, AND LIKE THE CATHOLIC CHURCH, ALL MAN MADE RULE’S, LIKE THE BASKET’S WHO MADE AND USED THOSE BLACK LEATHER STRAP’S.
MAYBE LJ MEAN’S “LONELY JESUIT!
REGARD’S JIMMY.
For those of you who want to help promote the Petition @ Petitions.ie
This is what I am doing!
Join a Facebook Group or Cause; there are many dormant ones relating to our “cause”. Their combined membership runs to around 6,000+ may be more.
Send a friends request to each member!
Add a personal message; the one I use is below:
“DID YOUR VOTE GET COUNTED?
When you vote at petitions.ie you will be sent a confirmation email to the email account you supplied; your vote will not count until you click this link. Make sure you check your Junk email Folder?
Revisit the site and check your name is there?
http://www.petitions.ie/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=238&Itemid=9&latestnews=latest
Regards
rob.northall@ntlworld.com”
(Copy and paste from note pad) use your own email address!
You may provoke a response; my friends list is growing quickly!
When you change your profile they get an update!
When you type what’s on your mind they get an update!
It is mass communication!
Check the petitions’ page to see if you are having an impact???
If you cant find a cause send me a friends message then look at my causes and groups I can do the all!
Post the Cause you are working on here so we don’t waste our time!
Does beebo work the same?
Anyone on alliance.org forum you can PM there!
Maybe we can wake some up!!
A thought about Lj?
“He who wrestles with us strengthens our nerves and sharpens our skill. Our antagonist is our helper.” – Edmund Burke
Paul want YOU and the rest of the Survivors to send him an email to print out an take to the Irish Embassy for the Attention of the Irish Ambassador!
I have done my bit to support him; lets not make him look foolish?
emails to ‘irishsurvivors@hotmail.com’
F.AO. The Irish Ambassador Bobby McDonagh
PLEASE! Don’t make me beg??
I am still working very hard on the Petition @ petitions.ie
I hope we all are??????
Your Friend Rob
Lj doesn’t understand!
It is not about the money!!
Share the Trust Fund out it is mere pennies!
It is about respect!
Being appreciated and consulted!
Not Ignored and Diminished ANY more!
We are important! We Count!
One thing I do know and that is if we cannot put our differences away and make an internet petition work when we ALL AGREE!
“Dissolve the Trust Fund and Pay the Money out”
If we cannot put our differences away and make a success of this!
The government don’t have to fight us!
We can carry on fighting amongst ourselves and they WIN by default.
“Everything else is just Distraction”
We should be focussing on the common cause!
If we don’t Lj will never understand!!!
When they are listening then we can sort out the rest of it; until they are listening we can do nothing but disagree with each other?
That is DISTRACTION.
I urge you ALL sign the petition at
http://www.petitions.ie/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=238&Itemid=9&latestnews=latest
This is a direct link as it is slipping down the list through lack of support!
We have to decide whose side are we on OURS or the Governments?
I have suspended work on the “Shame Of Ireland” to focus on this over 500 emails and still only 117 votes.
If you want to disagree with the Shame Of Ireland after this the we can talk?
LET US ALL SUPPRORT EACH OTHER!!!!!
So Lj,
Because it has been in the papers, on tv and books writen, victims should just ‘get over it’? How naive of you to think it could be that easy. How cold hearted of you to say such. I’m guessing you are not a victim. Justice would be to see the people responsible before the courts.
Maybe you would like us to pretend the abuse never happened.??
Copy and and paste the email Phil and send it to me. I’ll see if I can then answer your question. Paddy.
Paddy
To whom is this post August 19th, 2010 @21.40
addressed to? Is it that person with the two initials LJ..
I think you’ve had your “15 minutes of fame”. That’s it – you had your say. Take the diatribe off to some other side. Slán. Paddy
Lj
The ‘justice’ survivors want is for all monies given by the religious orders for ‘survivors of Institutional abuse’ to be paid directly to the survivors and not placed into a trust fund (begging bowl) for unscrupulous groups to dole out as they deem fit and to feather their own nests.
Many survivors suffered physical injuries as well as emotional injury, resulting in major surgery for some, with a life time of pain and loss of earnings, how does a psychologist fix this?
Re-your comment “what is the money for” survivors will choose to spend their compensation however they wish! and it is quite frankly no concern of yours!!!
Please keep the votes coming in at
http://www.petitions.ie/Statutory
you can also email your objections to proposed trust fund to Paul who will deliver by hand to The Irish Embassy in London irishsurvivors@hotmail.com
Regards Kay
lj tell me have you spent 14 yrs of ur childhood in one of those places . i doubt very much you have .id say the only thing you ever had to worry about as a child was whether your mammy sucked the dummy before sticking it in your gob . people like your self should avail of the education fund and do a history course .
LJ
This has nothing to do with MONEY. It’s what is rightfully due to people who suffered at the hands of the religious in Ireland. If you have read all the books, the papers, looked at the TV you would know what the Religious did to these people. If you go back to 2002 you will see what the Minister who was leaving his job at 5.p.m. that particular day,signed off to the religious. It could have been 30 pieces of silver. People like yourself still remember that deal don’t you? The 30 pieces of silver way back then and if you don’t check it out in the bible, that book I’m sure you have also read
Dear Lj, would you like to step out from behind your user name?
And explain yourself?
OH MY GOD
I can’t believe that I was that polite!!!
Dear Lj; You just need to get over yourself;
WORD FAIL ME!!!
Can anyone tell me what this ‘Justice’ that you want actally involves?
If it’s money, what is the money for?
Surely bad things happen to many people in childhood and that’s what all the agencies/psychologists are paid (usually by the NHS) to deal with.
Other than that you have to learn to heal yourself.
It’s been in all the papers, on the tv and books have been writen. Time to get over it don’t you think?
Dear all,
I have just sent a complaint to the Charities Commission
Re: – The Federation of Irish Societies reg no: 1092268
Nature of Complaint:
I have contacted this charity and their membes about a vote on the Trust/Statutory Fund in Ireland.
They have failed on the following grounds
serious harm to beneficiaries and, in particular, vulnerable beneficiaries;
They are not properly representing the views of the Survivors of the Industrial School System!
charities deliberately being used for significant private advantage;
The Private advantage is for the benefit of the Irish Government!
where a charity’s independence is seriously called into question;
Thier funding is from the Irish Government and they are following direction from them without challenging it!
serious non-compliance in a charity that damages or has the potential to damage its reputation and/or the reputation of charities generally; and
serious non-compliance in a charity which, left unchecked, could damage public trust and confidence in the Charity Commission as an effective regulator.
All of the above!
I trust the Attached file will be suficient?
Regards Rob Northall
Dear all,
I have just sent a complaint to the Charities Commission
Re: – The Federation of Irish Societies reg no: 1092268
Nature of Complaint:
I have contacted this charity and their membes about a vote on the Trust/Statutory Fund in Ireland.
They have failed on the following grounds
serious harm to beneficiaries and, in particular, vulnerable beneficiaries;
They are not properly representing the views of the Survivors of the Industrial School System!
charities deliberately being used for significant private advantage;
The Private advantage is for the benefit of the Irish Government!
where a charity’s independence is seriously called into question;
Thier funding is from the Irish Government and they are following direction from them without challenging it!
serious non-compliance in a charity that damages or has the potential to damage its reputation and/or the reputation of charities generally; and
serious non-compliance in a charity which, left unchecked, could damage public trust and confidence in the Charity Commission as an effective regulator.
All of the above!
I trust the Attached file will be suficient?
Regards Rob Northall
________________________________________
From: Robert Northall [mailto:rob.northall@ntlworld.com]
Sent: 15 August 2010 14:04
To: ‘dee.doocey@london.gov.uk’
Cc: ‘info@irishsocieties.org’; ‘rhiannon.macdonald@standard.co.uk’
Subject: When is Consultation NOT Consultation? When is Representation NOT Representation? The Answer is NOW!
Dear Dee Doocey
Your Article on the Home Page of the Federation Of Irish Societies
http://www.irishsocieties.org/
Was most enlightening; in as much as “the population of Irish in London is at least 500,000”.
You may or may not be aware that the Irish Government is going through a consultation process over the Statutory Fund;
This has only been announced in The (Irish) Independent and another News Paper only published in Limerick
Both of these News Papers are only published in Southern Ireland!
The Survivors of the Irish Industrial Schools are all over the World
Many live in the UK
The awareness of this “Consultation” Process is very poor; Just type “Statutory Fund” into any search engine?
I have contacted the Federation Of Irish Societies via email as I believe that Many of the survivors do not want this Fund established?
I was very disappointed to see
http://www.irishsocieties.org/tools/archive/survivors_consultation_jul10
The Federation of Irish Societies claims that “FIS exists to represent and develop our members and our community”; when it comes to Survivors they area failing!
The above information posted on their website along with their members blind acceptance of the Governments right to impose its will on the “Survivors”; as an example I cite their Coventry branch and the recent Poll they issued to Survivors.
It should be easy for you to ignore this email as I have been ignored by all of the media in my attempts to get them to inform the Irish population in the UK of the existence of this “Consultation” Process!
There is a petition on
http://www.petitions.ie/Statutory
Which I have also been promoting; it would nice if you would sign it?
Congratulations on your appointment; I hope that you are able to do more for the Irish Community.
Yours sincerely
Rob Northall
For those of you that are thinking of Protesting the Pope in London
http://www.met.police.uk/events/index.htm
Will tell you if it is a legal March; wouldn’t want to see anyone get locked up for such a good cause?
Paul, Hope you have to hire a truck!
Anything that disrupts their undemocratic handling of this matter; must do good!
http://www.petitions.ie/Statutory
92 votes
We need to get a lot more; if we can point he Government at this??
Anyone got any ideas??
Hi. All.
Thanks for your welcome comments, its the least i can do.
PLEASE PLEASE keep your objections coming, time is running out.
I have loads of A4 and ink.
Paul Nolan.
Well done James I hope EVERYONE gives Paul a big pile of paperwork for the Irish embassy to work through!
Hi Paul, Have done the same as Rob, and thank’s for this opportunity . Your help in getting these message’s and email’s to the Ambassador in London, much appreciated.
Regard’s Jimmy.
There seems to be some confusion; I have posted this on the new Facebook page
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=142322029133613&v=wall&story_fbid=142793132419836#!/group.php?gid=142322029133613&v=wall
The vote on petitions.ie is ONLY to stop the Trust Fund.
Is open to the WORLD at large for the WORLD to tell the Irish Government to listen to Survivors.
If it was so sinister would Nora Brennan have signed it?
…Or publicised it to Austrailia?
I am putting Shame of Ireland on the back burner and concentrating all my efforts on the petition!
I hope you can do the same?
Promote the Vote!
I have sent hundreds of email all over the World; will you do the same?
Hi Paul,
I have sent you an email to
irishsurvivors@hotmail.com
for you to deliver to the Irish Ambassador in London.
I hope others do the same?
The big thing on my mind is the Vote against the Trust Fund on
http://www.petitions.ie/Statutory
88 Votes so far? But things ar picking up!
Regards Rob
Hi. All.
irishsurvivors@hotmail.com I have only got two messages regarding the trust fund.
I think it would be best to open the protest to all survivors and their supporters anywhere. I am worried i will not get enough objections against the fund before the 27th.
Please forward your objections ASAP.
Thanks.
Paul.
Ps: I have also contacted national newspapers in the UK, alerting them to the unpoplar trust fund.
I just typed Statutory Trust Fund into a search engine; was very disappointed by finding 2 results; on the positive side one was for her; and the other was petitions.ie.
has anyone else had the same experience?
Are we few the only people discussing this?
Hi Paul
I have lodged my opposition to the trust fund at irishsurvivors@hotmail.com and hope others living in the UK will take you up on your generous offer to deliver petition by hand to the Irish Embassy.
Hi to all
please keep the votes coming in at http://www.petitions.ie/Statutory we have 80 votes at this moment in time – this petition is open to all who wish to support survivors in their/our fight for justice.
Regards Kay
http://www.protest-the-pope.org.uk/
This is the link!
Do you ever get the idea I am not very good at this technology thing? LOL!
Hi everyone!
The above link will give you all the information that you need if you want to attend the demonstration against the Popes visit to the UK.
Regards Rob
Hi paddy,
I know we alway’s haven’t met eye to eye on everything..there’s been so much confusion and stress with it all but I must say you have kept independent and worked hard and I admire you so much for that with all you’ve been through and put up with. In fact I have often thought to myself if I was you I would have packed up long ago. But you didn’t, and I thankyou for that, regardless of our differences.
I’m not sure now I want to be part of any group or have representation so I will continue to represent myself.
I hope everyone will get what they rightfully deserve and I somehow think we will..I don’t think The Government would want to go down in History as stripping Survivors of their rights, dignity, opinions and the absolute correct amount of compensation. The world is still watching and how this is handled now will be judged.
Most survivors need help in many way’s. This shouldn’t be an issue. Most people spent many yrs in them places and didn’t stand a chance to make anything of themselves in the future. Now there is so many sufferring from even basic needs like housing issues and debts that the Government should help immediately and without delay.
It is so cruel and inhuman to treat us this way. If I was part of the government I would want to do what’s right. Morally right and just. I could not and would not hold my head high if I had thousands of survivors that were let down so badly by the state and Religious I would want to do all I can?!? this is where so many of us…and others cannot comprehend what is happening!!!
God is good. I beleive there will be some sort of justiced. Theres no other way.No where for the Government to hide.
Regards all..
Anne
Hi. Paddy.
I have set up a E Mail address.
irishsurvivors@hotmail.com
I would like survivors and their supporters here in the UK to send their objections against the proposed trust fund to the E mail address.
I will take these messages by hand and deliver them to the Irish Embassy in London.
Plase address to Ambassador Bobby McDonagh.
Please keep messages brief and to the point and of course polite.
This will (I hope) encourage the Ambassador to forward our objections against the proposed fund to the Irish Prime Minister.
Thanks.
Paul Nolan.
Rob, I have to agree with Kay and Maureen. I too know of people who would join shame of Ireland if only they didn’t have to make a yahoo id and e-mail. They really don’t want to be in yahoo.
Paddy
I have used your web site for the last 10 years and have been glad to do so.I value the fact that you are the one Person who has kept your Independence and integrety.
Paddy I never at any time suggested anyone on this site was corrupt.
To answer Rons question
Anything I have done was to have the Convictions imposed on innocent children expunged
The Demonstration I set up with my friends Ron and Kath out side the Irish Embassy in England in 2003 we paid for ourselves. Tt was to have these convictions expunged . When I traveled to Ireland to demonstrate in Kildare St I paid for myself. All the Letters I sent to the T.Ds in Ireland I paid forthe postage myself.
All the calls to Ireland I paid On my B T landline at top rate.
I will not sign to another group as soon as I did in the past I classed as a memember of that group.
Paddy Keep well Regards may
Hi Kay,
Petitions.ie is in the public domain and only offer a one choice vote.
Great for petitions!
Yahoo offers automatic communication between ALL Members of the Group. Easy to set up VOTES with multiple answer options!
The only difficulty that I am aware of is the fact that a yahoo ID is required and this is the stumbling block.
The Join “Shame Of Ireland” link takes you to a Yahoo login page; whre you have to create a Yahoo ID before you can proceed.
I hope this addresses your Question if not email me and I will try and create clearer instructions?
It is never to late to change; but I can’t find a medium that will offer what I feel the GRoup needs;
and I’m not clever enough to start a site from scratch!
Hope this helps?
Regards
Rob
Regarding the nomination of Paddy and Kate to represent the survivors .It must be pointed out that anyone living outside of Ireland will find it financially crippling to do a meaningful job , there are travel cost, hotels, stationery, phone costs,ect. I know from personal experience, living in England and travelling to Ireland numerous times over the last ten years. The costs can be quite enormous. Has anyone told Kate that she will have to meet the costs out of her own pocket. May and myself have met all our own cost over the last ten years , nobody has worked harder then her over the criminal convictions. When we had the demonstration in London she sent out 550 letters as well as writing to every government official many times over
I tend to agree with you Kay. Perhaps people should consider signing both both petitions assuming they want to. Paddy.
Just for the record my website, http://www.paddydoyle.com has been going for over ten years – May and many others who have been in touch with me over those years know that. They also know that not once in that time have I received or sought a single penny from any source at all. That is how things will remain. I could have landed a load of money but I’ve refused it as I value the independence this site give me and those who write to it, the independence that no other website claiming to representing ‘survivors of abuse’ gives them. I’ve never claimed to represent anyone, indeed at every meeting I’ve attended with government of senior Civil Servants, I’ve always declared my independence. The only time I’ve ever spoken on behalf of anyone was when they specifically asked me to do so. I trust that makes my position clear May and to any others who might think I’m making a fortune out of this website. Believe me it’s hard work and if anyone wants to take it over then they’re welcome to it. Paddy.
Maureen,
Email
rob.northall@ntlworld.com
or
ShameOfIreland@yahoogroups.co.uk
I will send you a link when you click on the link you have to set up a Yahoo ID
Give them as little info as it takes you to get through the process.
This I have been advised is no more difficult than setting up a Facebook Acount of similar
Once you have done that it is easy!
If you are in difficult and in the UK email your phone number I will ring you and talk you through.
I hope that you have got the 10 to vote on
http://www.petitions.ie/Statutory
It could really do with a lot more; they will need to use seperate email accounts to vote on petitions.ie
Hope this helps
Regards Rob
Hi Rob
I agree with Maureen’s comments, Yahoo isn’t a very user friendly site, unlike http://www.petitions.ie/Statutory which is very easy to use,I believe this is the reason for the low membership count of 19 (4 of which are my family) compared with the petition poll which stands at 68 at the moment, is it too late to change course?
Regards Kay
May,
Who paid for the expenses for the Demonstration you went on?
Who is paying for my telephone, and internet connection, cost of postage, (signed for to Brian Cowen is around £6; for him to ignore).
Who is going to pay Paddy’s Travel Expenses?
Who is going to pay for Kathleen O’Malley to travel; I am sure they thought about that before they accepted the Nomination?
I believe Kate is not available to comment for herself at the moment; and as for asking someone to contact Joe Duffy. Because she didn’t have his contact details to hand and she has had contact in the past.
If WE can’t support each other by mucking in together we are all lost! (Oh by the way! I sent him an email).
If you are concerned about the direction that the “Shame Of Ireland” will take?
I suggest you join?
As a member you can put up a poll to disband it and vote democratically.
You will have free and easy access to all the membership and can persuade them of your point of view.
You can also add to or change the AIMS and OBJECTIVES; Democratically.
You can also ensure by being vigilant that we don’t go the same way as the other groups.
You can change nothing from the outside?
I understand you are sceptical and my own Father says that I am the biggest cynic he knows!
But to do nothing is not an option; I have actually sat on this Idea for a number of months because of the divisions between Survivors.
One thing I am sure about is the character of Paddy Doyle; a lesser man would not have let you post a suggestion that he could become corrupt!
Once again I take my hat off to you Paddy!
God willing I will one day shake you by the hand!
I think you are a Bigger man than Me!
May
You will notice when there are elections all over the world, the people have to get out and vote for the person/s they want to stand up and speak for them. There is a word for this I’m sure Paddy Doyle would know that word or indeed Kathleen O’Malley. They might enlighten me. In the meantime May., people are NOT NOT NOT .VOTING…..re the FUND, they are asked to write or call in with what they would like to see done with the FUND. So go ahead and write in.
The VOTE IS FOR A MANDATE………..
For Paddy Doyle and Kathleen O’Malley to stand up and speak up for the people who are not part of any group, groups I might add which do NOT NOT have a MANDATE
Paddy Doyle or Kathleen O”Malley might again enlighten me on this word I can’t quite put my finger on
So go out May and Vote and Vote OFTEN as they say out here in the real world
Rob
It’s impossible to get into your Yahoo account. I’m giving up.
Is there not an easier way to cast a vote as I have ten votes sitting right here for a MANDATE and I can’t get them posted
To Ron
Re your item of 11/8/10 16.24
(MEMBERS OF SHAME OF IRELAND 2 PEOPLE HAVE BEEN NOMINATED TO ACT AS REPRESENTATIVES FOR THE GROUP . THIS DOES NOT MAKE THEM LEADERS .
This is exately how all the others groups started . Who will pay the expences when the English representative has to travel? Who will pay for all the phone call you will have to make? I notice the Kate O Malley is already asking other people to make the phone call to Joe Duffy. As the people on this site are on the Internet the only have to Email the Dept of Education And give there opinion as to what will happen to the Fund As for that Maureen who told me to go out and vote. This is the same attitude we had from the group leaders and the Religious Orders May Cornish -Henderson
Post Script to Anne,
You addressed you post to Paddy and Myself?
I am not a Representative of the “Shame Of Ireland”; Nor have been Nominated!
I can’t see how I can be a Representative; as it would do the cause NO Good; I am nothing if not a good listener; hopefully the Draft AIMS and OBJECTIVE of the “Shame Of Ireland” are testament to that?
If I were to be Nominated and become a Representative; SOME would SAY; “It’s only a vehicle for self promotion”.
This would do the “Cause” no good and detract from US ALL working together!
Regards Rob
Below are the Draft AIMS and OBJECTIVES of
The “Shame Of Ireland”
THEY WILL BE VOTED ON IN THE NEXT WEEK BY THE MEMBERS!
“To represent views and coordinate those who feel that the Residential Redress Board was unconstitutional and the Indemnity offered to the Religious Congregations of Ireland was Illegal.
This Group Membership is mainly drawn on form the Survivors of the Industrial School System, Their Partners, Children and Grand Children.
Main Aim
To Lobby the Irish Government to undo the “Great Injustice” it has done in its dealings with the Congregations of Religious Ireland C.O.R.I.
Objectives
Dissolution of the Statutory Trust Fund on the Grounds that it is Iniquitous.
Prosecution of the Abusers.
Dissolution of the Diplomatic Immunity of the Holy See.
Fair and Reasonable Compensation for the Victims of Abuse Above and beyond the Redress Board.
The Statutory Trust Fund should be dissolved and the Money Paid to the Victims.”
IF YOU AGREE WITH THESE?
JOIN!
email ShameOfIreland@yahoogroups.co.uk
For an invitation to Join!
Where you can Add to or Modify these and put them to the vote of the Members.
Democracy, Inclusion; and Trasparency.
Dear Anne;
The petition on
http://www.petitions.ie/Statutory
Is open to the “WHOLE WORLD AT LARGE” I have been sending 15 to 20 emails a day trying to get support.
This petition is NOT about the Money this is about getting a Mandate for ALL the Survivors from th WORLD AT LARGE!
If you share out this pot of money it will not ammount to much; each!
ADD the Playing fields and property and get the Government to do rheir JOB, and keeping their promise to “sieze the assets and oversea assets of C.O.R.I.”.
NOW you are talking MONEY!
As for what I or Paddy are going to do about insisting that the money from the Trust Fund is distributed; That decision is for YOU to make?
Join the “Shame Of Ireland” and VOTE!
PROMOTE the Petition at
http://www.petitions.ie/Statutory
Get world Opinion on our side?
(Reach for the Stars; we might just get to the Moon)
I have a Poster that I have been Sending to Irish Clubs; if you want a copy email me.
rob.northall@ntlworld.com
To Dead man walking; Will YOU Join the “Shame Of Ireland”? at the monent WE are the “Shame Of Ireland”. It should be the Guilty, Politicians, Unelected Representatives, and the “UnHoly See” They are the real “Shame Of Ireland”
hi paddy looking at reeling in the years last night my favorite song bridge over troubled waters SAIL ON SILVER GIRI SAIL ON BY YOUR TIME HAS COME TO SHINE ALL YOUR DREAMS ARE ON THE WAY i sure hope so paddy
Anne. I can only speak for myself and say that I’m not seeking to speak on behalf on anyone unless mandated to do so by a sizeable number of people who to date have been feeling left down and isolated by the current lot of so called survivors representatives. As for as I’m concerned, if I was given the job of speaking on behalf of people abused while in institutional care, I would endeavour to do what people wanted and not what I wanted. Paddy.
i understand what it is you are trying to do here rob .more power to you .i cant say i cud cope with it myself . somthing has to be done .
Hi Rob/Paddy,
I would be very greatful if you would explain to me how you will help if getting anywhere with this petition? as I’m sure your aware that most, if not all survivors want what is rightfully theirs. Proper compensation.
Forgive me for sounding jubious here, but as you can imagine the experience I’ve had with “Groups” has not been a positive one.
I have one question? if elected to represent us, does that mean you will be asking for funds to be dispersed?
Be greatfull any feedback. Thanks Rob/Paddy.
Anne.
Dear All,
There seems to be some confusion?
Paddydoyle.com and the ShameOfIreland are seperate.
When People on Paddydoyle.com talk about Representation it is a legitmate discusion.
I have been in private conversation via email today and respect their confidentiality;
However; for the process of clarification; part of my reply is below!
“In relation to the ShameOfIreland and the fact that Members of Shame Of Ireland have nominated 2 People to act as epresentatives for the Group; does not make them leaders?
The Mandate that they will be given, has not been decided?
They have not been voted for yet?
Nominations are still open.
If you wish to nominate a Representative, and have an input into the Mandate of that “Spokesperson” or Spokes People; you will be very welcome if you Join?
With ShameOfIreland any issues that Representatives bring to the Group can be voted on within the Group easily.
This is why I have chosen this vehicle to try and bring Democracy, Inclusion and Transparency to Survivors.
Whoever the Members choose will only have a mandate of 19 people at the moment!
WE need you to join; WE value your opinion!
The Process has been for Representation
Member nominate a person
I Canvas the Person
Members Accepts Nomination
Mandate is developed
Nominees agree to the Mandate
Then we vote!
Please Join US and become part of the process and give YOUR chosen Representative YOUR manadate.
Unless you are happy with the Government appointed Representatives; on Government Salaries; Represnting you the way the Government wants them to?
I suspect you are not happy with this or we would not be having this dialog.
Regards Rob”
If anyone wishes to discus the way that the ShameOfIreland will work or wants to suggest the way it should work.
I am more than willing to corespond privately, and discreetly and confidentially post my response on this site. I am sure that there are a number of you that have Questions?
As to where have I been for the last 10 Years, the answer to that is looking after my wife (who was in the Industrial School, St Finbarrs).
Why have I suddenly appeared to become interested?
When the talk first emerged about “additional Compensation” my wifes mental health started to suffer; I tried to get information from anyone I could including the so called “Representatives” of Survivors.
They ignored me; and Brian Cowen and Mary Coughlan ignored my letters and emails.
I have been involved with various “Activists” over the Past year; and whitnessed how the Passion WE ALL feel about this can lead to division; the purpose off the Shame Of Ireland is:
Democracy; Inclusion and Transparency.
In answer to the Statement
“Ask not what people can do for you, but what can you do for yourselves”
Made by May and Kath.
I agree strongly!
The “Shame Of Ireland” is meant to be a vehicle to empower everyone; if everyone get involved we can empower each other!
Become more Proactive and Speak with ONE VOICE; Through a Mandated Spokes Person – Representative, – or what ever you want to call it.
If you have any Questions regarding the way the ShameOfIrelad is working.
email me at
rob.northall@ntlworld.com
I am more than willing to corespond privately, and discreetly and confidentially post my response on this site.
Regard Rob
I asked at Barnardos this morning as to which papers published the proposed consultation proposal, statutory trust fund. I was told it was in the Independent and some limerick paper.
May
I think you got a bit cross wired here. It’s a long thread.
Kathleen O’Malley or Paddy Doyle “DID NOT” ask or tell anyone to go out and “VOTE”
We the people ask them to go out and stand up and speak on our behalf.
If we all sit back and be Private then nothing is going to get done and the likes of Christine Buckley, Michael O’Brien, The Cork people and everyone else who JUMPED ON THE BANDWAGON to line their pockets (I’m saying this as it’s out there and has been published and on radio and in the courts of Dublin)
This fund is only going to keep the likes of them in full time employment with their holiday homes and enabling them to be able to hop on any plane at a short notice and stay in the best hotels.
Is this what you want done with any funds that are due to you?
Hi May, I have made my own written Submission to the Government, and also voted at Shame of Ireland, as I firmly believe in the strength of number’s. Something we all need as Survivor’s to make a case for ourselves. And support each other in fair play and justice.
It may be 11 year’s to late for you, and it is your choice to stay alone with your desire to remain private, and independent of any group. Indeed I can see your points, and understand your concerns about the “going-on” at various group’s, inc outreach service’s in Ireland and the UK.
I used to think, as Survivor’s, that we are all equal, but over the last few year’s, I have come to the conclusion, that there are many involved with these group’s, who consider themselves more equal than other’s!
It became more difficult to know who to trust, and for me, it became obvious that these same ” Self elected so called leader’s” were informed, ( long before it became public knowledge, of the Proposed Trust Fund) which is indicated in their wish to accept and agree to the Fund, and get themselves in line for access to the funding they are claiming, in the names of all the member’s they claim to have!
I still believe that it would be great to have a voice with a website, someone we can trust, and who command’s respect , who is located in Dublin, and has Survivor’s interest’s at heart, listens and share’s concerns and advice. Paddy tick’s all the boxes for me, and has indicated that if elected in a fair way, with a mandate, he would represent Survivor’s. Kathleen has also indicated her offer to do likewise, and for me , their could not be two more reliable and responsible folk to would honestly and sincerely do their member’s justice. I am confident they could effect a good address to the Government on Survivor’s behalf and express the wishes of us all.
I am also confident that Paddy and Kathleen would do a good job, not only for Survivor’s in Ireland, but the UK and the many scattered all over the world.
Regards Jimmy.
Kate
How dare you tell me to go out and vote. Do you think you are still in the courts passing judgement on people. Remember it was the Judicary who passed judgement on Innocent Children and sentenced them to the institution for all of their childhoods .
As there is no money going to the Groupes who is paying your expences for all of this .what have you done for any survivor in the past. You were never on any demonstrations that I went on. It is only since the fund was mentioned you came out on the scene .may
For whom is this trust fund intended for. There were 52 industrial Schools in Ireland. Is this trust fund intended only for the people that went to the redress board or those that were in the industrial schools. Most of the group leaders are from the industrial schools. You have to decide for yourself what you want done with this trust fund. Where have all you people been over the last ten years and what have you done for yourselves. Have you been on any of the demonstrations that have taken place in Ireland and England like myself Ask not what people can do for you, but what can you do for yourselves.May& Kath
May, You are actually missing the point; Kathleen O’Malley has not asked for a Mandate to Represent anyone; In light of discusions that have been ongoing on this site; I have set up rhe ShameOfIreland because I was fed up with Right Of Place; Alliance.Org; OneinFour;
Ignoring emails; These are the Representatives thrust upon YOU by the Government; with wages Paid for by the Government; to represent YOU the way the Government wants you REPRESENTED!
I started the vote against the Trust Fund on the ShameOfIreland Group page; for Survivors to have their say! I also put up the petition on Petitions.ie.
I expressed my opinion to the Members of the “ShameOfIreland” that as numbers grew if we wanted to speak with one Voice we would have to think of a Representative to tell the Government; I asked Members to Nominate Representatives; NOT Leaders!
Please Join the ShameOfIreland and get your opinions on the current corrupt Representation expresssed to the Government.
Shame Of Ireland Stands for Democracy; Inclusion and Transparency,
Together WE are Stronger!
Regards
Rob
ShameOfIreland@yahoogroups.co.uk
PS. I hope you have voted to express your opinion at every opportunity; as the Government will assume you have and manipulate the statistics
May
“All the group leaders have lined their own pockets over the years. Saying they represent the people”
That is actually correct. AND WE ARE FED UP WITH THEM BECAUSE THEY ONLY REPRESENTED THEMSELVES NOT THE PEOPLE WHO WERE SENT AWAY TO INSTITUTIONS.
IT’S NOW TIME TO PUT THINGS RIGHT AND WE NEED PEOPLE TO JOIN TOGETHER AND DO WHAT IS THE RIGHT THING.STAND UP TO THEM AND THE GOVERNMENT
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH AND IT’S NEVER TOOOOOOOOO
LATE
SO GO OUT AND SIGN THE PETITION
STOP THIS FUND GOING THROUGH LEINSTER HOUSE
I Notice Kate O Malley says she wants the mandate to represent people. I have 6 different Emails asking me to vote about the so called fund. I have had enough of people saying they will speak for me . All the group leaders have lined their own pockets over the years. Saying they represent the people. I personally do not want anyone to represent me My vote is privite It is a bit late in the day to become a leader of a group (11 years too late) may Cornish
Just read that one of the wealthiest Religion’s in the world, The Roman Catholic Church, are going to charge Folk who wish to see the Pope in action at various location’s in the UK, when he visit’s.
Make’s my blood boil to think that their are Folk who would actually pay money ,in support of a Religion , who are so guilty of Child Abuse throughout the world, protecting the ABUSER’S in their midst, giving them shelter, pension’s and comfort in their elder year’s. Their attitude being to blaze’s with the Abused.We brought it on ourselve’s!!
I’m of the opinion that the R C C WERE THE ORIGINAL MAFIA, and have snared our present Government into their web. What next, A POPE’S TAX ON IT’S MEMBER’S?
JIMMY.
A Poster for you to Print and distribute to Clubs, Pubs,and anywhere else you can think of where Irish People are in your area is a vailable to downloa from the ShameOfIreland Group Page.
Join or email me for a copy
rob.northall@ntlworld.com
Robert.
A very good point for the above.
We need to speak to the following Ministers who have been involved with the Religious Congregation in signing the Indeminity Deal. The Prime Minister, Minister of State, Minister of Education, Minister for Children, Minister for Health and the Justice Minister.
What agreements have they submitted to etc. Who is this fund intended for, many questions need to be asked until we see this contract we are as usual in the dark. It is now time for Joe Duffy and other Radio Announcers in Ireland to interview the above mentioned and discuss this matter.
We call on you the Ministers to answer the above questions.
What Newspaper did the above Article first appear in.
Dear All,
I have just re-read this entire post; there seems to be some comfusion.
You ALL need to join the “Shame of Ireland” to VOTE for Paddy and Kate to represent YOU!
At the moment there is a MANDATE of 19 the Government will laugh this off!
I urge you to join!
email ShameOfIreland@yahoogroups.co.uk
For an invitation to join!
You will need to set up a Yahoo ID which is no more difficult than joining Facebook etc.
When WE have more members WE can VOTE!
Regards Rob
The Approved Press Release has been sent to
‘chris.evans@bbc.co.uk’
‘submissions@spiked-online.com’
‘contact@richarddawkins.net’
‘contact@MolestedCatholics.com’
‘CabAction’
‘bock@bocktherobber.com’
‘jeremy.vine@bbc.co.uk’
‘panorama@bbc.co.uk’
‘The Spectator’
‘wrightstuff@five.tv’
‘thismorning@itv.com’
‘bbcbreakfast@bbc.co.uk’
‘Pollard, Chris’
‘Todaypk@rte.ie’
‘joe@rte.ie’
‘frontline@rte.ie’
BBC Newsdesk
Radio 4 the Today Program
It appears further up in this Post or on the ShameOfIreland Group Page
Feel free to forward it to anyone you think may publish?
The Shame Of Ireland now has a membership of 19; including Paddy and Kate; Still need more to build a mandate?!?
The Petition has a now got 56 signatures; The more we publicise it the faster it will grow! I Know Paddy and Kate are both working hard on this!
Currently working on a Poster to send to the Irish Clubs in Newport and Gloucester; Will make it available when done!
Together WE are STRONGER!
every government office,post office, social welfare, family resource center hospital, and library should have been sent this statuary fund questionnaire all it takes is an email and a printer hardly any cost to the tax payer.
( just incase we are being charged for all the admin offices and staff )
as this has not been mentioned as of yet,
WHO IS GOING TO PAY FOR THOSE WAGES, SERVICES, AND ADMIN COSTS ? US?
IF THEY GIVE THE MONEY TO THE PEOPLE WHO WANT IT THIS MAY SAVE TIME AND COSTS WHO EVER IS TO PAY.
AFTER BEEN ROBBED OF THE 50% BY A GOVERNMENT THAT ADMITTED 100% AND THE CHURCH 100%
ARE WE TO FIT THIS ADMIN BILL ALSO?
And we should trust the DOE because?????!!!!
Correct me if I’m wrong but I thought this campaign was about voting against the proposed trust fund and not about giving views on how it should be spent which IS what the DOE phone line and emails are for isn’t it,???
A huge thanks to Rob and Paddy – please keep the votes coming in folks – Kind Regards – Kay
http://www.petitions.ie/Statutory
Nuala Hynes from the DOE, has kindly answered my question re confidentialy of email. So it’s ok to post the details Paddy.
Would everyone only use the telepone for the purpose as requested and not for other matters. This is very important. So please pass on the telephone numbers to people abroad if you know of them..thanks Imelda
Imelda,
I forwarded this email to you with the intention of having it distributed to anyone that it applies to, i.e former residents of institutions who are residing outside Ireland, NI and the UK who wish to give their views on the statutory fund. The warning only applies where a person received the email in error. This is not so in your case and the intention was that the numbers provided could be passed on to them.
I trust this clarifies the position.
Nuala Hynes.
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/
This might be an easier one
For anyone interest here is the World’s TIME ZONE
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/difference.html?p1=78&continent=australasia
RE:FUND
For everyone’s information. A Petition is open to anyone to sign. The Petition above on .IE is a public petition and every Tom Dick and Harry can sign it. You wife can, your auntie, your children, your grandchildren, your cousins can, your neighbours can, the man down in the local shop the man up the electricy pole can, so get it out there and get people to sign.
My vote on the petition page seems to be still in cyber space and may never land on earth so I wish to have my vote registered here and my nomination of Paddy Doyle and Kathleen O’Malley as my representative confirmed here.
Below is an email I received from the Department. They do have a footnote at end of email that this is private & confidential, usual with some emails. I wrote back to them about this and have NOT had a reply, so because of the URGENCY of this matter I have decided to post the LANDLINE NUMBERS here.
Note****
If you are living in any of the countries outside of Ireland and the UK, you only get a TWO 1/2 HOUR SLOT to call these numbers. Of course you could be in a country where by
this time will be in the Middle of the night for you. For instance the East Coast of USA
2.30p.m. Irish is 9.30a.m. US
West Coast 2.30p.m.Irish is 6.30a.m. Us and so forth. God only know what time or day it would be in Australia and the like, but anyway below is for your information.
Imelda,
I refer to our telephone conversation regarding a landline number that can be used for residents residing in countries outside of Ireland and England. The following numbers can be used for anyone wishing to give their views on the statutory fund by telephone:
09064 83953 or
09064 84119
This service will be available between 2.30pm and 5.00pm from Monday to Friday until 27th August 2010.
Survivors can also send in written submissions which can be emailed to StatutoryFund@education.gov.ie or posted to Statutory Fund Consulatation, Department of Education and Skills, Block 2, Marlborough Street, Dublin 2.
The phone numbers above should be used solely for the purposes of giving their views on the proposed Statutory Fund and not for any other purpose.
I trust that the above will prove useful.
Regards,
Nuala Hynes.
To all concerned regarding the proposed Trust Fund. I Charles O’Rourke wish to nominate Kathleen O’Malley and Paddy Doyle to represent me in any negotiations with statute bodies pertaining the wellfare of victims of clerical terror.
To all concerned regarding the proposed trust fund.
I Paul Nolan wish to nominate Kathleen O Malley, and Paddy Doyle to represent my vote against the proposed trust fund.
Paul Nolan.
Hi Paddy and Co, I have recently made my full Submission regarding the Trust Fund, and also my vote to Shame of Ireland .
I would also like to add my support of a mandate to have PADDY AND KATHLEEN as our representative’s, ASAP.
Like so many folk here, i have been very upset at the manner in which some so called group’s and other’s,have engaged in sinister
slagging match’s, and allegation’s of abuse of Fund’s by themselve’s , for themselve’s, and certainly not for the benifit of folk they claim to represent.
good luck to all ,keep fighting.
Jimmy.
Hi Paddy and the world.
Can someone get this latest bulletin to Joe Duffy on RTE and other Radio Announcers.
Kathleen O’Malley.
Paddy and All,
As a victim of rape by a Christian brother that was sentenced to 8 years the likes of myself are excluded from this because I was raped in a primary school.
I am not complaining as i sorted this out in the courts. I really wish you all well and wish that you can stop the rot that occurred in the area of industrial representation and the disgrace that it is.
The only reason that the so called Crowd are allowed away with this is because as long as their there its not the government’s problem.
Please scream from the roof tops!!!! Stop The Rot!!!!
Get Paddy and others mandated and allow decency to return to your needs.
I wish you all the best and am hopeful this is not a wasted exercise.
Best wishes
Derek Power
The above Press Release has been approved by all mentioned in it; Now we have to get it out there! TV Radio Newpapers.
PRESS RELEASE
THE VOTE THEY NEVER WANTED TO HAPPEN!
There is a new mood of optimism; amongst the Oppressed and Downtrodden Irish Community; that consists of the Survivors of the Irish Industrial School System.
On the eve of the New Statutory Trust Fund becoming Law; and Replacing the Education Fund; there is a hum of excitement and a chance for real change!
The Irish Government have been negotiating with the Congregations Of Religious Ireland for over a year on the setting up of the Trust Fund; but when it comes to consulting the people it affects; the consultation period is short and quietly announced!
But you can’t keep good people down; the world at large can now vote on whether or not the Survivors should be consulted? Openly, Honestly and Constructively.
There is Poll on the internet at http://www.petitions.ie/Statutory
When asked the creator of the Poll Robert Northall said “This is not about Money this about not being listened to; They were not listened to as Children; They are Still being treated as Children!”
He Added “This is an open vote for everyone to tell the Irish Government that they have to listen to the Survivors, and not he Government Mandate Representative of Survivors”
One of the survivors Sean Morrison when asked said “the Entire matter has been planned and set in motion, without any consultation with the Survivor’s, without offering them a chance to even vote on just how they would like the money, contributed by the Religious, to be shared out. This is both very unfair, and unjust, a view shared by the majority of Survivor’s, the Media, and Member’s of various support group’s.”
He goes on to say “Many of these Survivor’s, are at an age when further education, council ling, etc, are of no interest to them. Many are coming towards the end of their lives, mostly retired now, and in view of the fact that the majority were badly short-changed at the Redress Board, they , and I, feel it only fair that the contributed money, should be shared out fairly between the Survivor’s, allowing us all to get on with our remaining lives, and call closure on this sorry part of our lives. This would be the correct way to proceed, for Survivor’s, and the Government.”
The Poll has the Backing of two very well respected “Witnesses” of the cruelty of the Industrial School System Paddy Doyle the Author of “The God Squad and Kathleen O’Malley who is the Author of “Childhood Interrupted”. Kathleen is also a Magistrate in the UK. So she knows about Justice something that the Survivors of the Industrial School System saw very little of.
For those who do not have access to the internet they can make their feeling know to the Irish Government in writing to
Statutory Fund Consultation,
Department of Education and Skills, Block 2,
Marlborough Street,
Dublin 1
before Friday 27th August 2010.
I have been invited along with Paddy Doyle,to be a representative or voice for the Survivors. Thank you for your confidence, should I be elected I will do everything in my power to make your wishes known to the powers that be.
IT IS TIME OUR VOICE WAS HEARD. AS CHILDREN WE WERE IGNORED AS WERE OUR FAMILIES. RECENTLY WE WERE ALSO IGNORED DURING “THE INVESTAGATION INTO CHILD ABUSE” when only a minority of schools were investigated. this clearly was a cover up allowing our abusers (CRIMINALS) to continue living a normal life with no convictions. We on the other hand have had Criminal Convictions bestowed upon us for just being born and poor. It is time these convictions were expunged for one and all.
I have also joined “THESHAMEOFIRELAND”
Kathleen O’Malley.
Charles,Check your email junk mail folder petition.is wiil send you a confirmation link to confirm your vote!
Hope this helps?
Nice one Rose!!!
If everyone on this Website spent 1 hour a day trying to raise awareness; The Cause would be all but Won?
Rob I have signed the petition corectly but find my name is not on the petition. I have attempted to sign the petition again but to no avail. I have mandated Paddy to represent me through ShameofIreland and this may be sucessfull. I am on the European mainland. Thank you Rob for your work here.
Just Checked.
17 Members of ShameOfIreland
36 Signatures on the
http://www.petitions.ie/Statutory
That’s 2 more @ The ShameOfIreland
and 9 more on the Global petition.
Since 9 o’clock last night!
The Pace is quickening!
Hi All,
I have just sent a message about the ‘consultation proposal/statutory’ fund to Neil Prendervile @ 96fm Cork. I also mentioned the online petition. I hope this will be of some help in letting people know about it.
there are so many out there rob who dont have any access to computers.
Just Checked.
15 Members of ShameOfIreland
27 Signatures on the
http://www.petitions.ie/Statutory
With a lttle more effort we can do a lot better!
But the pace is picking up!
Anyone got any media contacts?
We need to get the word out there!!!!
Your Friend Rob
PS Don’t forget time is running out!
The Statutory Trust Fund becomes LAW in September!!
While you are tryihg to get this GLOBAL VOTE, also try and get other Survivors to Join ShameOfIreland!
Together WE are STRONGER
I am puting around 6 to 8 hours a day into this!
I need your help?
Your Friend Rob
Rose, In answer to membership of the ShameOfIreland; If you look at the draft Aims and objective on the Group Home Page.
Survivors;
Parnters;
and Chidren of Survivors; have all had to live with the impact of the Industrial Schools.
I know that my steps children did.
They are all permited to be members and vote in their own right.
I added Grand Children because of the age of some of the Survivors and it seemed only reasonable that a loving grand child should be able to get involved and vote on behalf of their Grand Parent; but this is not a vote in thier own right!
I hope this makes things clearer.
We still need to vote on the Aims and Objectives when we have more members.
Don’t forget the vote on petitions.ie
http://www.petitions.ie/Statutory
IS OPEN TO THE WHOLE WORLD; ASK YOUR FRIENDS TO VOTE THERE! EMAIL, TELEPHONE, TEXT IT!
What we are looking for in this vote isn’t the money; We want the world to tell the Irish Government we should not be ignored!
This is a GLOBAL MANADATE FOR SURVIVORS RIGHTS!
Kathleen and I will be happy to represent those people who want us to do so. What’s not needed is to get the number of people up and up so that the government will have to listen. The voices of so many people cannot be ignored. Paddy.
It’s my view that family members of people who were abused while in the care of religious orders should of course be allowed put their names to any petition. However that’s Rob’s call. I have suggested it to him. Paddy.
At last we seem to have lift off and may be going into new terrority. Thank you Rob.
If we can send a chain email around the world and 5% actually read it and act on it; it will prove to the Givernment(What a Glorious Typing Mistake if only it were true (LMFAO)) Sorry!
It will prove to the Government that the world want US to be listened to.
If you do use it can you change the “Click to join” to Email ShameOfIreland@yahoogroups.co.uk for and invitation
can family members join shame of ireland?
The above is an email I have sent to everyone who has ever emailed me! Please will you all do the same?
Subject Header: Can YOU Help give Survivors of The Industrial School System a Voice? By Signining The Petition, And FORWARDING THIS EMAIL to EVERYONE!
I apologise if you have already been contacted in this matter, but I believe it is important enough for you to read?
The Congregations’ Of Religious Ireland gave “Extra Compensation” to the Government for the Survivors of the Industrial School System;
The Government is setting up a Trust Fund with this money; which will REPLACE The Education Fund that already exists for Survivors.
This is a Step backward; and all of the Survivors I know are against this!
PLEASE VOTE AGAINST THE STATUTORY TRUST FUND AT
http://www.petitions.ie/Statutory
This is not about Money this about not being listened to; They were not listened to as Children; They are Still being treated as Children!
THIS IS AN OPEN VOTE FOR EVERYONE!
PLEASE VOTE FORWARD THIS EMAIL TO EVERYONE IN YOUR ADDRESS BOOK? I JUST DID!
You can follow and join in the debate at
http://www.paddydoyle.com/minister-coughlans-response-to-a-request-for-a-poll-on-trust-fund/
http://www.paddydoyle.com/a-consultation-proposal-statutory-fund-2/
IF YOU ARE A SURVIVOR JOIN SHAMEOFIRELAND at
Click to join ShameOfIreland
You Will Need to Create a Yahoo ID (Which Is No More difficult than Joining Facebook)
There you can vote on representation for others Like YOU!
TOGETHER WE ARE STRONGER!
Regards Rob Northall
hi paddy thats wonderful news that you and kathleen are repesenting us is that true
What’s required now are the numbers that will give the mandate required to represent people. That’s going to be the big test. Paddy.
Great news regarding Kathleen and Paddy repesenting us we must do all we can to support them.Thank you Rob for setting up SHAMEOFIRELAND and the petition vote.Catherine.
Charles, I presume that you are refering to the
Petition
http://www.petitions.ie/Statutory
I believe that you are waiting for a confirmation email from the site to click a link to confirm your vote?
It may be in Cyber space.
If you need my help you have my personal email address and the group email address; saves Paddy having to Moderate your message and may get you help sooner.
Emails sent to the GRoup email address is forwarded to all members; they can then help you if I am not avaiable.
Regard Rob
Charles you should have received an e-mail when you signed, is so the you need to go there and click on the link. If you didn’t get the mail then sign again. My friend did it 3 times before she got the mail.
Rob, I have signed the petition but my name does not appear on the list.
Even if you have already writen and or emailed it is important to vote at
http://www.petitions.ie/Statutory
The Enemy, OOPS! I mean the government will asume you have and try and distort the response to the Trust.
The ShameOfIreland has 2 very well loved and respected people prepared to represent YOUR views. Nominations are still open; BUT you need to JOIN to NOMINATE.
They can’t do anything unless YOU join and give them the MANDATE they neeed!
By not joining you are saying that the Government appointed representatives are YOUR chosen Representatives!
By not joining OTHERS can say; they only REPRESENT a few; and we will have them saying “NOT IN MY NAME!”
ShameOfIreland stands for Democracy Inclusion and Transparency!
email
ShameOfIreland@yahoogroups.co.uk
For an invitation to Join!
or rob.northall@ntlworld.com
Regards Rob
Katie Have You Joined ShameOfIreland? That is where the mandate id being set up! Not on this Site!
I spoke to the department today and they are trying to get a land line so people can call if they are out of reach ie in other countries apart from Ireland and England
so lets wait and see what happens
Just so you all KNOW
I’m still waiting for a REPLY to my email from the Department. Email address is at the top of this listing in article Paddy posted.
so they have NO LANDLINE AND NO ONE MANNING THE COMPUTER
ARE THEY ARE HOLIDAY OR WHAT?????????????????
Just so you all know. I wrote to the Department of Education re the FreePhone system. See below my email
Sirs
I’m and other people are having an ISSUE with the phone system you have set up.
I’m in America and I know of people in Canada and Australia who cannot call your telephone number as it’s FREE PHONE
The Department of Education surely has a LANDLINE for this matter
So please can you adress this issue as a matter of URGENCY before your DEADLINE of 27th August
Thank you
Proposed Statutory Fund to support the needs of Survivors of Residential Institutional Child Abuse.
I’m just curious. Was this proposed consultation printed in the Irish papers and if so when? I noticed the deadline for submissions is 27th August (just over three weeks from now). It doesn’t seem to give a lot of time for people to get together considering it is the holiday season.
The Petition Above is open to the public at large! email it! Paste it on Facebook! mention it on forums.
The Poll on the ShameOfIreland is only for Survivors, Their Partners and their Children.
Regards Rob
If you use facebook bebo or any other forums or social networking sites publish the link there? I DID!!!
Robert Your logic on 100% is 100% correct.
Clear thinking is always welcome.
Lets Get the vote against the Trust Fund out of the way.
I for one; want the rest of the Money distributed and the Irish Government to Sue the un “Holy See” for more!
Vote on the Trust Fund on
http://www.petitions.ie/Statutory
What Education. Shure you can get your leaving cert done free by going back to school. So why do they need to take money from this fund to fund your education? And what about The Education Finance Board. they have the money if you want to go back and get some kind of education. That is after you fill out all the forms and get your Solicitor to fill out and sign forms to say you were abused.
This fund is basically for the so called GROUP LEADERS WITHOUT A MANDATE
To keep them in pocket and their offices running and their websites running WHAT WEBSITES? Paddy Doyle is the only one with a decent website to keep people informed
JOIN AND SIGN A MANDATE FOR PADDY AND KATHLEEN
http://www.petitions.ie/Statutory
For a NEW Petition on the Statutory Trust Fund.
You still need to join ShameOfIreland to Nominate and Vote for YOUR Representatives.
Without the instant Re-Ratification of their mandate. Some will say “NOT IN MY NAME” which will give the Politicians a chance to devide and Conquer!!
Paul, you seem disappointed that you put up an email address and got one response in so little time.
If you can infulence 5 Thats 26 People;
and they in turn can influence 5 People;
Thats 156 People!
If they can influence 5;
Thats 936!
If they can influence 5;
Thats 4680!!!!
That is the Mandate I want for Paddy!
Be “encouraged” my Friend.
I Started ShameOfIreland as 1 Man and found 8 people who feel as pasionately about thing as I do.
I only aimed for 5; because I know that you can all persuade 5 people!
Have you been reciving you ShameOfIreland updates?
If not check your account settings?
Take heart my Friend!
Together WE are Stronger!
This is a time for action;
Write!
Email!
Join!
Promote!
Vote!
Encourage others to act and get represented! not sit on a fence.
“Together WE are Stronger!”
“ShameOfIreland Stands for Democracy; Inclusion; & Transparency”
Talk, Telephone, Email, Promote, to get Paddy a STRONG Mandate!
I WANT PADDY DOYLE AND KATHLEEN O’MALLEY TO REPRESENT ME AND MY SIBLINGS.
THAT’S A COUNT OF 10, THEY ALL AGREE
I HEREBY GIVE PADDY DOYLE AND KATHLEEN O’MALLEY PERMISSION TO SPEAK ON MY BEHALF AND MY SIBLINGS BEHALF BEFORE THE DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION REGARDING THIS MATTER WHICH HAS A CLOSING DATE END OF AUGUST
I CANNOT PHONE THEM MY SELF AS THEY HAVE A FREE PHONE WHICH ONLY WORKS IN THE UK AND IRELAND AND THAT IS NOT WHERE I AM RIGHT NOW.
I’M QUITE SURE MY EMAIL IF I EMAIL THEM WILL SOMEHOW DISAPPEAR AS DID MANY OTHER THINGS PAPER WORK AND THE LIKE THROUGH THE YEARS
SO
OFF YOU GO PADDY AND KATHLEEN
THAT’S TEN ON YOUR LIST FOR A MANDATE.
I WILL GIVE YOU OUR NAMES OFF LINE.
Robert Northall
PUT IN FOR A SWIMMING POOL. WHY JUST LESSONS.
Ok
It’s RETAIL THERAPY I’M LOOKING FOR NOT EDUCATION, COUNCELLING, OR ANY OF THAT RUBBISH I WANT RETAIL THERAPY NOW NOW NOW
I NEED TO SHOP TILL I DROP
i have said it many times before the government know they were responsible for our lives as children in those prison run schools just as the religious.
for years we have suffered due to this abuse but not just the abuse but the lack of social skills, family life, welfare issues, yes even education.
all we have learnt here is that they have not accepted the responsibility themselves.
how does this government work out they pay 50% and the religious 50%
we all need to look at this more carefully and think how can they claim only 50% of the damage when they were guilty 100% or not guilty at all.
the religious were also guilty 100% or not at all.
so now we have the government taking back 50% and we are only given 1/6th of the religious money by that same government that was guilty 100%
either they are both guilty 100% or not if a criminal is found guilty in a court they are guilty 100 % or they are not guilty at all.
i believe the government stole our compensation by 50% of their own crime against us, we are all down by this 50% of that religious money that was promised.
put it this way
so two criminals in court found guilty 100 % each for the same crime,
does this mean they have to do only 50% of the time each?
I THINK NOT
GIVE BACK OUR COMPENSATION MR COWEN NOW
People let us not forget that this little monies 110milion only works out to be around 7,000 euro per survivor and their family. As I said before this money is an insult and you should not take it.
My father received 60,000 euro for what was inflicted on him. He should have received ten times that amount for his suffering.
You all should receive a lot more than 7,000euro.
Can anybody tell me what happened to the opening of the religious orders account books. Wasn’t it that the government were to look at the religious orders books and make it public what they had in assets all together all over the world. From that they would work out how much to compensate.
I set up a E mail address irishsurvivors@hotmail.com to compile a list of survivors and supporters willing to demonstrate in London against the trust fund, unfortunatly only one person made contact.
I would like survivors and supporters in the UK to E mail their objections to the trust fund to the E mail address above. I will print off and deliver the E mails myself by hand to the Irish embassy in London.
This is the only way i can help to change things in our favour.
Paul Nolan.
This may not be what they asked us to submit to them but it’s what they got from me.
To All You Politicians,
I strongly object to any Statutory Fund. It is an absolute insult to your victims. Wake up and listen. What use is education to us now..? it’s not as if anyone of us could get employment at our age. Health needs.. isn’t there a health system already available to people in this country, all be it a messed up one.?? Welfare…will aid from this fund be included in means testing for those of us receiving pensions or unfortunate enough to find ourselves on the dole? What about victims not resident in Ireland, how would the fund work out for them. ?
“The Government has announced its proposal to use €110m of the offers of contributions from religious Congregations to establish and operate a Statutory Fund to support the needs of survivors of residential institutional child abuse and for other education and welfare purposes ” , Could you please elaborate on the underlined..does it mean part of the fund would be used for persons who were not imprisoned in industrial schools??
How can you say victims got fair and reasonable awards..?? to my mind there was nothing fair or reasonable about it. Have any of you spoken to any victims about that? OOPS you gagged us on that didn’t you. WHY?
The State denied us our rights as children , Now as adults WE AND ONLY We have the right to decide on what is best for us. You said you would listen to us but you haven’t. you are still trodding all over us.
I say NO to your Statutory Fund.
if the newspapers were willing to follow the course of things perhaps we would be heard ‘ but they are doing the same thing as in the past . rumours were common such as if you don’t behave yourself you will be sent to golden bridge. several of us wrote them letters. we never heard a word from them. the media stars help sell newspapers we don’t. i don’t know who runs things but they don’t give a shit about the rest of us.only chrissie matters.i wonder why
Hi Rose
The correct email address for ShameOfIreland is
ShameOfIreland@yahoogroups.co.uk
Once you are a member there you can vote on The Trust Fund is Aims and Objectives of the ShameOfIreland.
Public Representation of the Group the ShameOfIreland and anything else. You can set up your own vote on anything comunicate with all the members at the same time.
ShameOfIreland stands for Democracy Inclusion and Transparency.
Any Representative of the Group, (and I really don’t have an intertest in being one of them, will have the Mandate of the whole of the Group. Membership will grow as we need to realise that without the Transparency; and Members being able to Vote fairly on how we are Represented; we end up with a “Not in MY Name” situation.
I have to say on a personal note that Paddy would get my vote!
I have seen the character of the man; demonstrated; and he is a man of integrity; and willing to do what he can for OUR cause.
I do not know how useful a Vote on Petitions.ie would be. As I have not fully explorered it?
In order to have a “REAL MANDATE” you need a list of names and the Mandate needs to be regularly reafirmed.
Does anyone know if there will be a protest in Dublin againist this outrageous proposal by the government. Maybe it could be at the Dept Of Education & Skills. How about August 21st.. It would have to be before August 27th. and I think a Saturday would be more suitable to people than midweek. Any thoughts on this..??
Rob would you please set up a petition for Paddy to speak on out behalf at petitions.ie as this would be more easily accessible to people.
ShameOfIreland@yahoogroups.co.uk
This is the correct email address of ShameOfIreland.
Sorry for being STUPID!
Regards Rob
Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
ShameOfIreland group:
The Statutory Trust Fund should be dissolved and the Money Paid to the Victims
o YES
o NO
To vote, email:
ShameOfIreland@yahoogroups.com
You will be sent an invitation to join
Note: Please do not reply to this message.
Poll votes are not collected via email.
To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups.
Thanks!
O and of course the religious orders…..
I think the only way to make the government listen is a full on riot!! show them we mean business..
Dear Charles,
ShameofIreland belongs to YOU as much as it does me! You have the right to create your own Poll and ask people to vote.
I agree that there needs to be a public face for the delivery of messages on our behalf.
I was about to ask Paddy if he would be interested in doing that; I also understand that Kathleen would be interested in jointly representing us!
You as a member have the right to set up new polls!
More People Should Join ShameOfIreland and vote on the Statutory Trust Fund.
We have a Mandate of 7 a Vote from 7 People we need another 1,993 or our voice will be ignored.
SPREAD THE WORD AND MAKE A DIFFERENCE!
ShameOfIreland Stands for DEMOCRACY, INCLUSION and TRANSPARENCY!
TOGETHER WE ARE STRONGER!
There are some who have said they would Join and Vote and have not?
To those of you sitting on the fence for what ever reason I urge you to make up your mind and Vote for What the Government Wants? OR What the Majority of Victims Want?
This Heinous Trust Becomes Law in September!
WE ARE RUNNING OUT OF TIME!
To Rob Northall, would you please put up a petition mandating Paddy Doyle to represent us in dealings with statutory bodies concerning the wellfare of victims of clerical terror. Would you do that Rob?. Perhaps you could request permission to place it on Paddys site from Paddy so as to facilitate accessability by the victims.
dead man walking how are you sir? its good to see you still have the fight in you. i was concerned yet relieved you are still writing well done sir admiration to you true regards robert
if they were listening we would have heard by now ……………
FINNA FAIL YOU ARE THE GOVERNMENT IN POWER TODAY YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE NOW FOR THE PAST PRESENT AND FUTURE OF CHILDREN OF THE STATE.
WE ARE WITNESSES OF THE CRIMES YOU THE GOVERNMENT AND THE RELIGIOUS HAVE COMMITTED AGAINST US AS CHILDREN OF THIS STATE.
PAY YOUR DUES NOT YOUR VIEWS
TO ALL WHO WERE IN INDUSTRIAL SCHOOLS AND LETS NOT FORGET THE MAGDALEN LAUNDRIES
WE ARE NOT SURVIVORS BUT WITNESSES OF A HORRID CRIME COMMITTED AGAINST US ALL.
PLEASE TELL, ME SINCE WHEN HAS THE GUILTY PARTY EVER DECIDED THAT WHAT THEY PAY FOR THEIR CRIMES IS FAIR?
THIS IS AN INSULT TO US ALL.
TO GO TO A REDRESS FOR WHAT HAPPENED TO US THROUGHOUT OUR CHILDHOOD HAS RE-OPENED ALL THE WOUNDS OF OUR EXPERIENCES. IS NOW AFFECTING US AND OUR LOVED ONES EVEN MORE.
AS PADDY RIGHTLY QUOTED HERE
As far as I’m aware Derek, the only people who can avail of funding from the Education Finance Board (EFB) are people who have appeared before the Redress Board and who were placed into Industrial Schools.
IS RIGHT AND FOR THE IMMEDIATE FAMILIES ALSO.
THIS EDUCATION FUND WAS ORGANIZED BEFORE THE REDRESS ALREADY GIVEN, AGREED BY THOSE USELESS GROUPS AND PASSED BY A CHEATING GOVERNMENT WHO NOW WANT TO PLACE THIS ON THIS FUND.
SO THEY TAKE BACK 500 MILLION AND NOW THEY WANT US TO PAY FOR THE SAME EDUCATION BILL THAT WAS ALSO IN PLACE AS PART OF THE DEAL WITH REDRESS,
THIS IS INSANE AND DOWN RIGHT DECEITFUL IT IS BLOODY WRONG.
SO NOW WE HAVE TO PAY FOR EVERYTHING THE GOVERNMENT HAVE PROMISED US.
WHO IS GOING TO PAY FOR THE WAGES, THE OVERHEADS, THE OFFICES, THE BILLS, THE EXPENSES, THE PUBLICITY, THE ADVERTISING, AND SO ON.
AFTER THIS WHAT USE IF THERE WAS ANY USE AT ALL ARE THESE GROUPS IN THE FUTURE?
100 MILLION WILL NOT LAST THE LIFE OF A PACK OF CHICKENS BUT THAT IS WHAT WE HAVE GOT TO LAST US FOR OUR LIVES CHICKEN FEED.
THIS GOVERNMENT SAID IN PUBLIC THAT THEY MUST LISTEN, HEAR AND UNDERSTAND THE SURVIVORS OF THEIR ABUSE BUT THEY NEVER PROMISED THEY WOULD PAY THE PRICE.
When I asked my wife what would she want to do if she could get the Irish Government to pay for it?
She thought long and hard about it; in fact she did not even talk about it for weeks.
A couple of night ago she said to me.
“I want to learn to swim because I am frightened of water and I just want to swim and feel free! Will the Irish Government pay for that?
I said “Sure”
– But –
You have body image issues so it would have to be a Pool to yourself,
You don’t trust Men; and you have difficulty forming trusting relationships?
If you don’t feel comfortable with your trainer you will quit unless you can changed them.
You have a phobia about water that you want to conquer; and if it goes wrong then it will never go away!
I sat back and thought for a while:
Hire a Pool for 20 weeks?
Hire a Personal Trainer?
Change them if you don’t feel comfortable?
Start form the beginning until you can swim?
My reckoning; 4 Grand! Sterling!
If it works first time!
Can’t see a TRUST FUND managed by NUNS and PRIESTS WASTING that amount of MONEY on TEACHING SOMEONE TO SWIM!!!!!!!
They were “PAID” by the Irish Government to “look after her”; They couldn’t spend the money on that!
They are certainly not going to WASTE MONEY TEACHING HER TO SWIM!
I have been asked about MY MOTIVATION for setting up ShameOfIreland at Yahoogroup.com.
I LOVE MY WIFE!
If I could afford £20,000 to teach her to swim I’d pay it.
We were comfortable before the Redress Board; Then it took over 3 years of OUR Lives and I can no longer provided for the woman I LOVE!
They cost us more than they paid up!
BUT!
I LOVE HER!
That is my MOTIVATION! Penniless with her or a Millionaire without her; She comes first evertime!
If you want to VOTE on people to represent you and give them a MANDATE!
There is only one place you can vote on things that concern you?
Join ShameOfIreland at yahoogroups.com
Once YOU have joined, it belongs to YOU as much as it does me!
You can set up a vote there on anything!
At the moment it is the only place that you can VOTE on The Statutory Trust Fund!
Hope to see YOU There!
Regard Rob
Together WE are Stronger!
ShameOfIreland Stands for Democracy, Equality and Inclusion
Email ShameOfIreland@yahoogroups.com for a link to Join!
If that fails rob.northall@ntlworld.com
As far as I’m aware Derek, the only people who can avail of funding from the Education Finance Board (EFB) are people who have appeared before the Redress Board and who were placed into Industrial Schools. You can of course check that out with the (EFB). Paddy.
Paddy,
I will post my responce to the above missive today. I received an e-mail from the organizer of SOCA in Birmingham on the 28th of July, another group that I do not belong to. The reason he keeps me informed is I queried him on how many members he had, I learned that there are thousands of survivors in England, that was my answer. Well, the latest e-mail to which I answered to him is as follows;
Michael, Thanks for the e-mail.
I do not agree with the set-up of this fund, it is wide open to abuse, so the abuse continues, as far as I am concerned. What I would like to know from this missive, who put it out ? there is no name attached, so we are to assume that the department of education and skills are the culprits. I will send an e-mail to the department and contribute independently to the process.
They have not posted this letter in any newspaper as far as I have seen to connect with the thousands of survivors who are not computer literate, and then they want input from the many survivors in just over three weeks “Friday 27th August 2010″ from today, now that is illiterate, if the letter came from the Department of Skills indeed. There are freefone services available to survivors in the Republic of Ireland, England and Northern Ireland, what about us in Canada, Australia, USA, and other countries?, are we not to contribute to the process, quote; As the Department wishes to consult as widely as possible, it invites the views of all interested parties,”Interested Parties” are they all senile, we are survivors of the heinous crimes of the contributers of the “Statutory Fund”, it is the compensation portion of the religious which they promised to donate in the beginning of the investigations into child abuse by them, its part and parcel of the, Quote; “Fair and Reasonable awards” who said that the compensation by the Independent Residential Institutions Redress Board was “Fair and Reasonable”, will someone in the Department tell us survivors that little Tid Bit, to enlighten us so we can rest at night, not afraid of the boogie men in long black frocks coming to our beds.
Finally, the so called Fund “Is being Proposed” to support the continuing education, Health and Welfare needs faced by survivors, it is “Seperate and Distinct” from the compensation scheme, I have sat down
and tried to figure the continuing education part of that, first, I am 75 and assume that means that I will now be able to catch up with the education that I was given up to age 14 before being put to work on the farm, looking after the pigs, mending boots in the cobblers shop and all the other chores that I was put to, Well, that is great news, I want to be a lawyer when I grow up and maybe join the Dail one day, then again, maybe not go that low.
When I submit my submission, I will identify, as far as possible, the specific needs facing survivors and suggest how the Fund should operate to assist in meeting these needs. ABOLISH THE STATUTORY FUND, a vote of all survivors, worldwide, on it first.
Seanie Morrison, ex. St. Josephs Industrial School, Glin, Co. Limerick.
11330 Lakeside Drive, Prince George, British Columbia. Canada. V2K 5M6.
Phone/Fax. 250 967 4838. e-mail; sas@pgonline.com.
Hi.Paddy.
I have just registered my objection to the trust fund.(statutory fund consultation)
Thought i would post a copy of my objections on your site
Thank you for the oppotunity to have a voice on the proposed trust fund.
I had a bad experiance three yeare ago with the present education fund.
I took a NVQ level 2 carpentry course at Lewisham college London funded by the education fund. I passed the course with flying colours. I registered for the next level course, NVQ3 the next year. The fund failed to pay the college fee and my course was stopped and i had to leave the course.
I cannot tell you how disgusted i was with the Irish Education fund for this failure.
I hope me objection to this latest fund is taken seriously.
I believe there are many failures to come.
Paul Nolan…………Survivor…………
what if thay payed our rent so that we will never be homeless again .with no family support its the kind of thing that we all fear.as so many of us live abroad and we are all in fear of institutions’ it would help to have someone implicated in organising thatas we are growing older . i am scared stiff of going to an old peoples home . to be honest i would rather die. being outside ireland’ and england we dont have a voice
Paddy,
It is such a shame that there are no statutory body or organisation out there helping those who were abused in primary or secondary schools.
I had one of the first Christian Brothers sent to prison for 8 years for raping me and abusing 10 others yet we are to be excluded from all forms of redress because “WE had parents to go home to at night” that’s very little solice for the thousands of those out there with a voice and no one to listen to them.
Can you advise if these people who have had proven cases in the past can avail of the education programme?
Some compassion and action needs to be taken on their part also. They at least have the right to be seen as victims.
Regards
Derek Power
Hi. Paddy.
I registered against the trust fund on Robs
shameofireland@yahoo.com and found it easy to join and vote.
I have set up a E mail address irishsurvivors@hotmail.com i would like to hear from survivors and supporters of our cause whom would be willing to join a demonstration in London against the trust fund.
Thanks.
Paul Nolan.
Mandate with Kathleen and Paddy what a great idea we could not have two better people to speak on our behalf.The question is how do we go about getting a mandate for them.
Portia, I appreciate the kind comments made about me. Thank you. I’m not sure at all the “Heather and Pat” would agree with a word you’ve written. Both of these people if they really do exist spend their time sending me abusive emails. Paddy.
If we are not part of a group and living in another part of the world – Canada what are we supposed to do? As far as I know there are no such groups operating over here. How and why do they think we got displaced out of the country in the first place?
There’s no reason why your link won’t work on this website. I’ve checked it out and all was well with it. It worked perfectly. Paddy.
Hi Rose and everyone else having the same problem?
If you click on the email address is should open your email program. If that doesn’t work copy and paste it into your email program. Or post your email address in this page.
Emails are forwardsed to me.
I can send you a join link
Tried posting the join link on this site.
It tells me I am “too Spammy”
Regards Rob
These so called representatives of survivors have a government given mandate with government funding to represent survivors the way that government dictates.
There is a new group that will be mandated by its members, drawn from survivors their partners, children and grand children.
If you join you can share that mandate, as we speak with one voice; with Democracy, Transparency and Inclusion as core values.
ShameOfIreland is at yahoogroups.com
We currently have a mandate of 5 but if you spread the word we will have a mandate of thousands.
When you write to the Government with a mandate of thousands of survivors you have a real voice.
All members are equal and have the right to use the group name; as correspondence will be voted on prior to sending.
You can vote on the new Statutory Trust Fund before it becomes Law in September at ShameOfIreland@yahoogroups.com
If you are having difficulty like Rose email me at rob.northall@ntlworld.com
set up a link on here paddy and you ll have my mandate
Does anyone know just exactly what they mean by ‘other educational and welfare purposes.’ Is this for people who were not in the industrial schools? ? ?.
Like you Paddy, with a mandate agreed and set up, I would be happy to be a voice for the Survivors who have not been listened to.
Kathleen O’Malley.
I don’t quit get it. A lot of victims of institutional childhood abuse must be very old now,how is this fund going to help them.
How about finding them a home back in Ireland where they were forced to leave at the time.
I’m sure a lot of them would like to spend there last few year’s there.
Greater communication is required with Paddy at the helm.
There may be representatives out there, but where are they when needed?
The big let down in all this is observing the people of ireland failing to come together to support the victims- of course that would mean collective culpability and responsibility as a nation.
No amount of money is going to help in the healing- so the church and state need not be thinking of buying their way out, because will not work. Love and kindness from the people of ireland would be a start, instead of most going around with their noses in the air, citing, sure they were only the poor disposable kids of ireland and sure it was their parents fault that they ended up in those places.! Typical eugenics vocabulary.
All children are born human and yet we treat some better than others and call ourselves great to the world.
What is it with the Irish and their worshipping men in dresses who have conned them into believing they are men of god-some guy on a fluffy cloud who only talks to them- and yet if other people say they hear voices, they end up being locked away- strange.??
Paddy has led the way for years in a polite civilised manner and I am sure people can get together and mandate him to represent all.
The church and state will look forward to the old trick of divide and conquer, so be wise and unite together as One.
And another thing. They never bothered educating you or most of you and now they bloody well want to educate the lot of you to DEATH. Get a GRIP.
Your health is already catered for by the Irish Government.
It’s time to get that crowd of so called Group Leaders out of here and do something. People have been talking till the cows come home around here for months. Stand up to the likes of CHRISTINE BUCKELY (ON A SALARY)
MICHAEL O BRIEN (IN THE BACK POCKET) THAT CROWD IN CORK (MISUSE OF FUNDS YOU NEVER GOT)
and the like
DO NOT LET THIS BE SIGN INTO LAW END OF AUGUST>
CALL JOE DUFFY.ALERT THE PEOPLE OF IRELAND, ASK THEM WHAT THEY THINK. CALL FM 106. CALL YOUR RADIO STATION AND LET THE PEOPLE WHO DO NOT HAVE COMPUTERS KNOW WHATS GOING ON.
SIGNING THIS END OF AUGUST IN WHAT IS WELL KNOWN AND DOCUMENT AS “THE SILLY SEASON” IS ALSO A FLASH BACK TO WHAT MICHAEL WOODS DID WAY BACK THEN
well here we go again. the “SURVIVORS” and I hate that bloody word, only went to England. So we have Survivors in england and Ireland, not right across the world. where is the phone number for people who live outside these two countries.
For god sake I’m sick to death with those GOMBEENS in Leinster House. It’s about time all of you who went through this bloody system STOOD UP and tell them FOR AND ONCE
WHAT YOU WANT AND WHAT THEY CAN DO
Rob I clicked on that link you posted here and sent a message but I got notification that it could not be delivered.
If I knew what to do that would help and if I was mandated to act on behalf of people who were abused while in the care of the religious orders and the State, I would do it. Paddy
paddy can you do anything for us a lot of us are not well im now at rock bottom im not sure what im going to do next im so worried just have a lovely new grand child please paddy guide us thats a plea from the heart ive never pleaded like this before where do we go from here you have heard all our stories over the months on your site PLEASE PADDY HELP
Join ShameofIreland@yahoogroups.com And vote on the Statutory Trust Fund
I set up the YahooGroup to try and get a vote on the Statutory Trust Fund after writing to the Irish PM and getting ignored!!
Together we can make a difference.
Regards Rob