Dear Paddy,
I have sought legal advice on the matter.
The position of the Labour Party is as follow:
First, there was no change of mind by the Labour Party on its Institutional Child Abuse Bill 2009, which was debated by the Dáil on the 7th and 8th July 2009. Nor was there any all party agreement.
Labour’s Bill was put to a vote and was defeated by the Government parties.
Second, there is a limited degree of all party agreement as to the disbursal of the additional contributions due from the religious congregations.
All parties agreed unanimously to a motion which: “notes that both in the meetings with former residents and the congregations support was expressed for the proposal that the use of a further substantial contribution from the congregations should include a form of independent trust to be set up by the State which would be available to support the needs of survivors for general education and welfare purposes”.
However, we await further details as to the manner of proposed operation of this independent trust.
Best regards
Joan Burton TD.
Deputy Leader of the Labour Party.
hi to all i have not wrote for a while so reading the above i was surprised that people are surprised at nobody is listening to the cries of the victims nobody listened as you were beaten starved and as you ran across the yard with blood running down your legs nobody listened then and nobody is listenning now.it is too big a crime, keep up the work Paddy and good luck
i don’t know who needs to be educated shuirly the sex lession we wer given as children in there care is suitable according to them
dut to make all former childre apper before them again is legally wrong i am at this time very lill what education do i or any of us in this pission meed education its is what is owing to us we want not to be called dunces and get further education
JOAN BURTON TD, HOW DID YOU GET INTO GOVERNMENT ?,WITH SUCH A LOW SENSE OF JUSTICE? FOR IRISH PEOPLE THE MIND BOGGLES
William Delahunty , Very well said William and I want to wish you a Very Happy New Year to you and your’s and hope you are keeping well:
TO So called Group leaders,>when you go home to your nice warm house ,with your car in your drive,with plenty of food in your kitchen,and all the mod cons STOP and Remember just what this is supposed to be about ???? See in your minds eye the little starving freezing,abused ,frightened,Terrorified, battered children .THAT WAS US. how many survivors DIED alone, how many lived on the streets ,how many WERE Left homeless and Are STILL HOMELESS ??How many are still alone and lonley?how many have been reunited with all their siblings???or families??? how many are SICK ? how many have been back to their roots ??>How many have been allowed a voice without been abused and scared off ??WE ARE THOSE SAME LITTLE CHILDREN NOW ADULTS STILL SUFFERING FROM GREAT LOSS. RIGHTFUL COMPANSATION MUST BE PAID TO EACH SURVIVOR TO GIVE US SOME SENSE OF JUSTICE , FORGET STATUARY TRUST FUNDS ,EDUCATION, WE DONT NEED THAT,THAT IS ONLY IN THE GOVERNMENTS INTEREST ,NOT IN THE REAL SURVIVORS INTEREST, As for a memorial ?what good is a piece of stone ; you can’t eat it I know I already tried that as a starving child;
As a survivor of Goldenbridge during the 1950,s ,I have not had any Info, Advice, Help nor used any of the well funded so called services for survivors ,I have never been allowed A VOICE, I have NOT heard from any of them NOR USED ANY OF THEIR SO CALLED SERVICES? ,So I demand that if any of those Groups have my name on their lists to secure their funding, I DEMAND THAT THEY REMOVE MY NAME AT ONCE, I do NOT belong nor take any part in any of their services or meetings ,which from what I can gather are held in secret to deny The Real VICTIMS of Industrial Child Prisons A VOICE. ONLY Mr Paddy Doyle has my full permission to represent ME. THOSE SELF APPOINTED GROUP LEADERS SHOULD HANG YOUR GREEDY HEADS IN SHAME, FOR YOU HAVE TURNED YOUR BACKS ON THE REAL SURVIVORS LONG ago and bow to the coffers of our Abusers , TO BOLSTER YOUR OWN EGO have you forgotten the screams and cry’s of Pain, ,and the smell of blood ,the black and blue lumps on our little bodies, have you forgotten the cry’s of hunger ,??The Fear in our eyes? so easly ?THE Ghost ‘s of DEAD SURVIVORS WILL HAUNT YOU AND YOURS and Those in Government ie Mary Coughlan and Co FOR NOT LETTING THEIR SOULS REST IN peace until all survivors have had proper Justice by way of their rightful COMPANSATION individually into our own bank accounts , you have my word on that.
HI TO ALL VICTIMS OF CHILD ABUSE AND FRIENDS AND FAMILY.YOU WILL NOT KNOW WHO I AM, BUT I REPRESENT 5000 VICTIMS IN ENGLAND THERE ARE NOT THAT AMOUNT, BUT WHO CARES NOBODY WILL CHECK MAYBE NOW SOMEBODY WILL LISTEN TO ME.AT THE LAST MEETING IN MANCHESTER SALLY MULREADY WAS INFORMED THAT THE VICTIMS DID NOT WANT EDUCATION OR COUNSELLING AS THEY LIKE ME HAVE ONE LEG IN THE GRAVE TODAY IN THE PAPER SHE IS SAYING THAT IS WHAT WE WANT, WELL WITH MY VAST MAJORITY I DON’T WANT TO HAVE A DEGREE WHEN THEY CARRY ME OUT, I WOULD BE FAR HAPPIER WITH MY CRIMINAL CONVICTION CERTIFICATE IN MY BOX.AS FOR THE MONEY GIVE IT THE GROUPS, ME WITH 5000 SHOULD BE IN FOR A GOOD WINDFALL. GOOD LOOK TO ALL
hello everybody . I have received a questionnaire from the London Irish centre . its about the statutory fund and the questions asked are about what we want . it also concerns the groups . for example do we benefit from them .the questions asked are about our future needs . perhaps they could put the questionnaire on this site as many of us live abroad. and that way we would all know what’s going on . or ask to have our names removed from these lists. after all a Xmas card once a year is not much help to anybody. it was signed Sally Mulready so she can share the information . She knows Paddy so it should be easy to contact her
well what a shock it is to learn the means put at the disposal of these groups . well more than ever that they should justify what they have done with all of the money. we should be all living in peace or they should be in prisons.
I don’t know if anyone has read this it is a bit verbose but Keep scrolling down and see the Facts about the so called Survivors Groups!
http://www.childaware.net/judicial_8.html
In the UK this would be Fraud? Ireland obviously is Different??
we were all completly fooled into beliving we were going to be treated fairly ! this needs to be revisted completely !
well we dont even know thier names . many of these groups seem to exist without us ‘. whenever a journalist askes about any one else chrissy brings in her shield . her 3 lovely kids, as if the rest of us dident have any. or she brings the subject back to herself . she talkes as if g b was about her and XS. what about before she came what about the nun who gave XSher slapper.this is important as many of the long term prinoners remember her and her very dangerous nature.
Haringey Irish Survivors Outreach Service will be closing down on the 20th of October 2010.Why are they not closing all Survivors Outreach Services?.The London Irish Center,Coventry Irish Survivors Outreach Service and SOA Project Manchester.Anyone got any information regarding this situation.
Paddy it has always been my wish to be able to buy a home weather its a flat or small house in the place where my heart and soul belong and where I was born somewhere my children can also feel they belong and have roots also my grandchildren ,thats all I could wish for to be compensated for the abuse and loss of my childhood and much more ,would enable me to carry out my dream without ever having to rely on welfare or social housing the compansation package due to us victims could do that it will be shameful on the irish Government to carry out setting up of the Statuary Trust fund totally in the control of greedy lawyers and administrators ect ect.that money was paid over in good faith by the religious for us NOT for the Corupt Government.
I WANT TO KNOW HOW MUCH THE CHRISTIAN BROTHERS PAID INTO THE COMPANSATION FUND?????for the damage caused to tiny boys who were sexually abused as well as battered in Industrial Child Prisons ?????Also what about the SISTERS OF CHARITY, ECT, ECT So Many childrens lives distroyed
Freedom of Information violated when the corupt powers that be sent out a few pages of our files which they had BLACKED out 99 per cent of what was written ,only my name was visable ,I was upset about this thats all I was allowed to see >just my name in irish.>really interesting for my children to see, I don’t think.we deserve and must get our rightful compansation the greedy government must keep their greedy hands off what is due to us victims so we that we can move on .I dont want the government to have any hold on the rest of my life nor my childrens lives ,In the last 10 years most of us have had NO help whatever,I got councelling FREE,I dont want to be held back by this Statuary Trust which the government lawyers will do very well out of it for themselves,I WANT COMPANSATION THE SAME AMOUNT I WOULD HAVE HAD HAD I GONE TO COURT AND SUED THEM FROM THERE ,OR TWICE AS MUCH AS MR O’ GORMAN BECAUSE WE VICTIMS HAD TO LIVE ALL OR MOST OF OUR ABUSIVE CHILDHOODS WITH THE SADISTIC ABUSERS.
……………………………………….well i have been wondering if all the reliogous orders have paid thier part yet as the only ones mentioned is the order of mercy. but what about all the others . the christian brothers and all the nuns orders …….
IF THEY READ THIS WEBSITE THEY SHOULD THINK ON THEIR OWN FAMILIES AND REMEMBER THEY BRING NOTHING BUT SHAME TO THEIR OWN FRONT DOORS IF THEY ALLOW THIS KIND OF CARRY ON TOWARD CHILDREN WHO WERE ABUSED.
HOW CAN ANYONE GO HOME TO THEIR FAMILIES AND SAY WITH THEIR HANDS ON THEIR HEARTS THEY STOOD UP FOR WHAT IS RIGHT ON BEHALF OF SURVIVORS.
THIS PARTY IN GOVERNMENT STOLE 500 PLUS MILLION FROM SURVIVORS THAT COULD HAVE CHANGED THEIR LIVES FOR THE BETTER EVEN THAT WOULD STILL BE SHORT CHANGED.
IF TWO PEOPLE COMMIT THE SAME CRIME AS I KEEP SAYING DO THEY NOW ONLY PAY 50%? IN THE COURTS
PLEASE TELL WHAT IS THE SO CALLED 50% OF THE
RELIGIOUS CONTRIBUTIONS ONLY 100 MILLION?
YET THIS IS NOW DICTATED BY THIS CROOKED GOVERNMENT IN POWER THAT EVEN THAT 100 MILLION CAN ONLY BE FOR EDUCATIONAL AND WELFARE PURPOSES.
( REMEMBER HERE EDUCATION FUNDING WAS ALREADY IN PLACE WITH THE REDRESS PLUS COUNSELING PLUS FAMILY TRACING AS THE SAME CROOKED DEAL MADE WITH SO CALLED UN OFFICIAL GROUPS)
SOME OF US HAD TO PAY FOR OUR OWN TRAVELING FEES TO SEE OUR COUNCILLOR.
BECAUSE THE WELFARE DEPT DOES NOT RECOGNIZE THESE FEES. AND SEES REDRESS AS SUFFICIENT SAVINGS.
WE ARE TO SHUT UP ABOUT REDRESS BUT HEY WE ARE SUPPOSED TO TELL THE WELFARE?????
FOR F… SAKE COME ON ANY FOOL CAN SEE WE THE SURVIVORS OF ABUSE AT THE HANDS OF THIS GOVERNMENT AND THE RELIGIOUS HAVE BEEN TREATED VERY VERY BADLY INDEED, HOW CAN ANY PERSON OUT THERE SAY THEY SUPPORT SUCH A PARTY THAT RUNS ON FILTH SUCH AS THIS IT IS ABSALUTELY SHOCKING, AND MOST DISGUSTING.
NOW WE WAIT FOR THE VACCINE TRIALS TO BE MADE KNOWN BUT WITH THE SHADY DEALS THAT WENT ON BEFORE ARE WE TO WAIT AGAIN FOR THIS GOVERNMENT SHADY TRICKS TO MAKE SURE THEY DO NOT HAVE TO PAY YET AGAIN?
BY ALL MEANS GO HOME TO YOUR FAMILIES ALL YOU OFFICIALS WHO DUCKED AND DIVED AWAY FROM DEALING WITH THIS RIGHTLY. YOU BROUGHT SHAME TO YOUR OWN FRONT DOORS AND TO IRELAND.
NEVER MIND ALL THE PUBLICITY ABOUT THE CHURCH WHERE IS THE OTHER 50% OF FAULT?
RESIGN ALL YOU GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS WHO COULD TREAT SURVIVORS OF YOUR ABUSE AND NEGLECT.
JUST AS THE GUILTY MEMBERS OF THE CHURCH. RESIGN NOW OUT WITH YOU ALL AND CLOSE DOWN THESE USELESS GROUPS YOU ISE AS DECOYS.
I will bring the matter to the attention of Joan Burton T.D. Without wishing to sound in any way arrogant, I’m aware the my website is watched by people from all political parties and of none. Paddy.
even if the basic idea is meant well .the proplem is i dont have the means to come to ireland for evening lessons . also we seem to write very well on this site or are we all exceptions. the victims of industriel school abuse are too old now for education . and the plane fares are too expensive.
LETS DEAL WITH THE FACTS JOAN AND THE OTHERS
MET WITH OUR SO CALLED REPS THINKING THEY
REPESENTED US THE SURVIVERS,AND HAD OUR BACKING AND A MANDATE FROM US.
ALL THE AGRO AND GREIF BEEN CAUSED IN THE PAST YEAR OR SO WAS CAUSED BY THESE SO CALLED
REPS WHO NEVER ASKED ANY OF THE ABUSED THEIR
FEELINGS OR OPINIONS.
REMEMBER THE POLITICAL PARTIES VOTED ON THE
IMFORMATION AND PROPOSALS MADE TO THEM,SURELY
THEY CAN SEE FROM THE RESPONSE BY 95% OF THE ABUSED THEY WERE MISIMFORMED BY OUR REPS THE SAME PEOPLE (NOT ALL OF THEM)WHO WOULD NOT GIVE ANYONE A SAY AND USED US FOR THEIR OWN
AGENDA AND GREED.
IF THE POLITICAL PARTIES CANT SEE THAT NOW. THEY SHOULD DEMAND A MEETING WITH OUR ELECTED
REPS AND STRAIGHTEN THIS MESS OUT.ALL WE ARE LOOKING FOR IS FAIR PLAY AND JUSTICE,THEY KNOW THAT AN GENERAL ELECTION IS ON THE WAY
AND AS VOTERS WE, OUR FAMILIES,AND SUPPORTERS
WILL NOT FORGET THE SHABBY AND SHAMEFUL WAY
WE ARE BEEN TREATED BY ALL.
IF THE GOVERNMENT IS 100% TO BLAIM WHICH THEY ARE AND THEY ADMITTED IT SO LIVE ON THE DAIL. AS SO DID THE RELIGIOUS THEN BY THE REPORTS SUCH AS MURPHY AND RYAN THEY WERE BOTH VERY GUILTY INDEED. SO HOW CAN THEY DECIDE THE OUT COME OF THEIR CRIMES TO THE PEOPLE?
WHAT DOES THIS SAY TO THE PEOPLE AROUND THE WORLD?
EUROPE MUST BE THE ANSWER THIS TIME. BUT THE QUESTION REMAINS WHO HAS THE BRAINS THE WILL POWER THE LEADERSHIP TO DO SO?
WE ARE ALL WITNESSES OF THIS CRIME COMMITTED AGAINST US. THESE REPORTS HAVE PROVEN THE TRUTH ON WHAT WAS GOING ON. NEVER MIND THE WORD SURVIVORS AS THIS SEEMS TO MEAN ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO ANYONE ONLY OUR SELVES.
HOW MANY WITNESSES DO THE COURTS NEED TO DECIDE WHO IS GUILTY?
I REST MY CASE.
What right do the guilty have to decide on how victims compensation should be handled? It is all a complete and utter farce. I for one cannot trust anyone of them. They are taking us for complete fools.
I know Joan has met, and consulted) with many victims of abuse (from the Institutions) and fair play to her but I doubt if she has met and consulted the almost 15,000 people who actually put themselves through the duress of the Redress Board!
I know also that she has met, and consulted, with people purporting to represent victims of abuse – just how did Joan verify that these people were who they said they were? Did she see membership forms …. ? Or did she, being the sensitive soul she actually is, just take their word or it??? Did she not even ask: WHO ARE YOU?
HI PADDY AGAIN THANKS FOR POSTING THE REPLY
FROM THE LABOUR PARTY.
THE SAME BULL!!!T.IT IS QUIT CLEAR, AS SMART AS THEY THINK THEY ARE THEY WERE HOODWINKED
AND FOOLED BY THEM ******** WHO SOLD US ALL DOWN THE RIVER TO FEATHER THEIR OWN NESTS.
THEY HAD NO MANDATE FROM ANYONE WE WERE NOT CONSULTED,GOT NO WARNING THAT THE MEETING WAS OR WHAT THE AGENDA FOR THE MEETING WAS ABOUT.
AT MY AGE (64)I DON’T WANT A FUND TO GO BEGGING TO ANY BOARD FOR HELP,I WENT THROUGH
ALL THAT AT THE REDRESS BOARD AND WAS MADE FEEL LIKE A BEGGAR I WOULD STARVE BEFORE
I WOULD GO THROUGH ALL THAT AGAIN. ALL I WANT IS JUSTICE! JUSTICE! JUSTICE!. MAY GOD FORGIVE
BARRY AND BUCKLEY AND CO.
,JUST GIVE ME WHAT I AM ENTITLED TO,
WELL, THAT’S REALLY, REALLY USEFUL…..!
MUST HAVE COST A BOMB TO PEN THIS RESPONSE.
AND WITHOUT EVEN SEEING PADDY’S LETTER, I’D BET IT REPRESENTS A BACKWARD STEP.
WHO WE VOTE FOR NOW?
Raymond
All parties agreed unanimously to a motion which: “notes that both in the meetings with former residents and the congregations support was expressed for the proposal that the use of a further substantial contribution from the congregations should include a form of independent trust to be set up by the State which would be available to support the needs of survivors for general education and welfare purposes”.
Hi Paddy
Next time your talking to Joan, would you ever tell her I don’t need any general education or welfare support. don’t you already have General education “FREE” in Ireland and don’t you already have “WELFARE” purposes in Ireland.
Would you tell that to Joan for me paddy please. As you can see from my writing I can read and write, what more do I need. And will you tell Joan the next time also Paddy, thats it’s no thanks to the Department of education that I can read and write.
And most importantly Paddy will you tell het that those people her party was talking to who sid they represent any of us me and my siblings and other that these people were not given a MANDATE to speak to anyone of my behalf
Thanks as usual Paddy, your a great man Paddy to be writing to them in the first place for all of us