The Irish Times – Saturday, August 21, 2010
PATSY McGARRY
CHURCH CRITICS: A SPECIAL “Reformation Day” ceremony is to take place at the Vatican on October 31st to mark “the birthday of the Year for Survivors”, the Humbert Summer School was told yesterday.
Boston abuse victim Bernie McDaid, who met Pope Benedict on the latter’s visit to the US in 2008, said it was planned to observe 60 seconds of silence in St Peter’s Square to be followed by a candlelit vigil.
“We’ve just had the Year for Priests; now we will have the Year for Survivors,” he said. “You want change, you come with me. All we want is support,” he said. Details are at www.survivorsvoice.org.
When he met the pope he told him “Holy Father, you’ve a cancer in your flock … nothing has happened since.” He wanted abuse victims from across the world and their supporters to attend, he said.
Bishop Bridget Mary Meehan told the school that “like Rosa Parks who refused to sit in the back of the bus, we will not accept second-class membership in our church. No Vatican punishment will stop our movement.”
Ordained bishop in 2006 and ministering in Florida and Virginia, she said the Roman Catholic Women Priests movement to which she belongs has grown “from the seven bold women first ordained on the Danube river in 2002 to over 100 now. Ordained women are already ministering in over 23 states across the United States, in Canada, Scotland, France, Germany, Austria and coming soon, in South America.”
It had “broken an unjust law that discriminates against women. In order to change an unjust law, one must break it as the civil rights and other human rights movements have demonstrated.”
She said “our female priests are ordained in apostolic succession, the same way as men. Our first bishops were ordained by a male Roman Catholic bishop with apostolic succession. His identity is kept secret to protect him from the wrath of the Vatican.”
The Vatican’s recent “hostile edict”, which prescribed automatic excommunication for anyone associating with the ordination of a woman, was a reminder of “the church’s long history of misogyny”, with its insinuation that the ordination of a woman “defiles the sacrament,” she said.
Catholic social activist Brendan Butler said “very few of the Irish Catholic hierarchy, save possibly Archbishop Diarmuid Martin, realise how deep is the disaffection among traditional Catholics with the official church”.
This “dreadful saga continues with the scandalous refusal of the pope to accept the resignations of bishops Field and Walsh,” he said.
Abuse victim Michael O’Brien called on the bishops to set a date to meet abuse victims “as soon as possible”. The last such meeting was in February.
2010 Humbert School awards for “Outstanding Courage” were presented yesterday to Marie Collins and Andrew Madden by director John Cooney who said neither “ever had any public recognition for their moral courage”.
On the 18th of September there will be a march in London to let Herr Ratzinger know the entire human race is not made up of blind sheep. In the week preceding the march there will be films and talks about his worldwide criminal organisation.
http://www.protestthepope.org.uk/
All the treasures, art works, land, buildings and power of the Catholic Church Limited represent no more than the Prosperity of Lies.
well today stephen hawkings has given a press conference to promote his new book , he says the universe made itself without any gods , that creation was a process that took time . and all is perfectly simple. no hell or heaven .so that means that the church and its laws were made by a bunch of bullys.All thay ever wanted was to dominate.
HALLOW FRIENDS AND FELLOW VICTIMS IT IS GOOD THAT SOME VICTIMS GOT TO SEE THE BISHOPS.I FOR ONE CANNOT GET ONE OF THEM EVEN TO REPLY TO ONE OF MY EMAILS. THE ROSMINIANS WHO I HUNG OUT WITH HAVE EVEN BLOCKED MY EMAILS,THAT WAS A REAL HONOUR AND PRIVILEGE IT SHOULD ME I WAS DOING SOMETHING RIGHT.WHY WOULD ANY WOMAN WANT TO BE INVOLVED WITH THAT LOT.THE POPE IS COMING HERE IN SEP YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO BRING YOUR KNIFE AND FORK, BUT YOU CAN BRING YOUR CHAIR THIS WAS ON BBC NEWS
What’s wrong Michael – sure you can organise another secret meeting with the allegedly celibate male vice choir. I remember you agreeing that no talks with bishops or the state about abuse victims would take place without abuse victims being present.
NOTHING ABOUT US WITHOUT US
Do you remember that, Michael? It’s not an empty slogan. It means what it says.
if there is a god then i am more than sure he does the calling not by the elections of men as that is judgement.
they also invent who is a saint and who is not well what about the ones who do everything in quietness how is it possible to know them?.
this is what is so stupid about religion they do the judging not the service.
please get it right mr. pope you are a servant not a king as so is the whole church SERVANTS or you are not a church at all but another dictator. read your own gospel to find the truth.
IF YOU HAVE ANY HEART AT ALL YOU WOULD MAKE SURE THAT ALL SURVIVORS ARE COMFORTABLE AND BEING LOOKED AFTER PROPERLY,
OPEN YOUR VOICE FOR WHAT IS RIGHT FOR ONCE IN YOUR MOCK KINGDOM LIFE AND GET REAL.
OR IS THIS GOVERNMENT HIGHER THAN YOUR GOD
I have to admit, I am NOT in favour of women priests (at least not in terms of the Catholic hierarchy). Absolute power corrupts absolutely…and knows no gender. We have only to look at the treatment meted out by nuns as well as priests and brothers — in the industrial schools, Magdalene laundries and mother-and-baby homes. These ‘good’ sisters were nightmares. So putting women in positions of power within the Church hierarchy won’t solve anything. If you believe you are purer, better and ‘holier’ than the charges in your care, you will begin to abuse them. It is simple psychology. See the Stanford Prison Experiment for a good look at that psychology.
FXR is right…the only way to “fix” it is to abolish it completely. Then we can go back to the original feminine divine.
the Roman Catholic church has absolutely nothing to do with Jesus and the apostles.
Mary Magdalene was the one who did the annointing – the sacred whore of the sacred sexual rite of HORASIS, and it was this rite that led the male into divine knowing -now deemed leading the poor male astray.LOL
By their actions the men of god have disempowered males and females.
However, they themselves use innocent children in the sexual rites to feel Horasis believing they have the divine right to do so.All they do is TAKE, TAKE, TAKE.
Talk about hypocricy.
You can’t cure a cancerous organisation like the Roman Catholic Church by demanding your rightful place within it. The only way to “fix” it is to abolish it completely.
Men who deny women are only denying the female caring loving aspect of themselves.
Then they project this rejection onto the women in society and all of society suffers.
it is the age old patriarchal scam of divide and rule. Male V Female. Black V White etc.
2010 Humbert School awards for “Outstanding Courage”
Hmmmmmmm, Has Paddy Doyle ever received such an award as he led the way for all others to follow.?
Oct 31?????????????
Wake up people.
I so wish people knew the real his- story and knew that women priests existed first in the ancient temples. They were called priestesses and were strong independent women who did not NEED to marry men to support them. They were called virgins and children were of virgin birth, soo that stuff the men of god have been teaching is lies and they know it.The men of god copied every ceremony of the sacred prostitute including dressing like a woman.These men of god burned the library of Alexandria where the proof existed and they they murdered Hypathia- the first witch- by using shells to rip her flesh off. Nice men of god.??
Then these men of god came to our shores, murdering and plundering all these sacred and feminine, building THEIR churches over the sacred feminine ones, destroying Mother Earth- their own mother along the way.
And the same men of god now dare to say that ordaining women priests is a sin like raping a child?
WE SHOULD ALL ON HERE ORGANIZE A MEETING OURSELVES AS IT HAS BEEN SUGGESTED BEFORE ON HERE BUT I GUESS THE HARD BIT IS TO GET THE PEOPLE WE NEED TO TALK TO IN THE PLACE, SUCH AS THE ABOVE.
WE CAN GET THE EMAILS OF EVERY POST OFFICE AND WELFARE OFFICE LIBRARY AND SO ON AND ASK THEM TO PUT UP THE NOTICE I BELIEVE THEY HAVE TO BEING A PUBLIC ISSUE.
AND WE CAN INVITE THE MEDIA THAT SO CALLED GROUPS REFUSE TO LET ENTER SAYING THEY CAN HAVE THE FRONT SEAT IF THEY PUBLISH THE STORY.
when people say
pope to meet survivors
bishops to meet survivors
priests to meet survivors
GOVERNMENT TO MEET SURVIVORS
what does this mean? ONLY SOME? IF SO WHICH ONES?
HOW MANY?
THERE SHOULD BE NOTIFICATIONS WELL IN ADVANCE IN THE PAPERS, RADIO, INTERNET. ON HERE. WELFARE OFFICES CHURCH BILL BOARDS POST OFFICES LIBRARIES IT ONLY TAKES AN EMAIL AND PRINTER I AM ONLY TOO SURE THEY WOULD FILL A HOTEL.
IF UN PROFESSIONAL PEOPLE WHO RUN GROUPS CAN CLAIM HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE AT MEETINGS THEN HOW MANY PROFESSIONAL ORGANIZERS GET
I AM SICK OF THIS I HAVE NEVER BEEN NOTIFIED OF ANY MEETING YET IN TEN YEARS WHAT ARE THEY AFRAID OF WE MIGHT GET A CHANCE TO AIR OUR VIEWS FOR ONCE?
Abuse victim Michael O’Brien called on the bishops to set a date to meet abuse victims “as soon as possible”. The last such meeting was in February
Michael
Has the money run out? Why another meeting?