Enda Kenny’s response to a letter about the proposed Statutory Fund for people abused while in the care of the state and religious orders.
Acknowledging receipt of your recent email.
The Ryan report, which was published in May 2009, included evidence of abuse from over 1,000 survivors of the orphanages, industrial schools and reformatory schools, some 500 of which related to sexual abuse by members of religious orders, teachers and other lay workers.
In June 2009 following a meeting with the Taoiseach, it was announced that it had been agreed that the 18 religious orders which were party to the 2002 compensation agreement with the State would contribute to a new trust to be set up to provide supports to those affected by the Ryan Report.
They agreed to contribute to a trust the Taoiseach proposed be set up, so further financial and other supports could be provided to people who had been in the institutions as children. They also committed themselves to identifying resources, both financial and other, within a transparent process with a view to delivering upon commitments made.
It would appear that little progress has been made in establishing the Trust. Rest assured that Fine Gael will continue to press the Government to establish the Trust, as promised.
Very best wishes
Yours sincerely
ENDA KENNY, TD
LEADER OF FINE GAEL (The main opposition party in Dáil Eireann – the Irish Parliament)
There are 166 Seats in the Dail 96 Voted with the Government 19 Voted Against the deeply Flawed Statutory Fund Bill;
Sadly 51 Members did not feel the plight of Survivors important enough to have and opinion on?
OR are the 51 not wanting to vote against their Party?
If we can get the 51 to Vote Against the Fund that Leave 14 to sway to Vote the Bill Down?
I hope you feel encouraged by this and will Contact TD’s and ask them to vote down the Statutory Fund Bill, instead of Ratifying it when it comes back from the Committee Stage?
You can contact TD’s by Clicking this Link http://bit.ly/IentBC
These 3 People can Make a Free Vote on the Statutory Fund Bill Happen
The more people that email the more Chance we have?
A Free Vote will mean that they can Vote Against their Party’s wishes when the Bill come back to the House for Ratification!
paul.kehoe@oireachtas.ie
emmet.stagg@oireachtas.ie
enda.kenny@oireachtas.ie
You can contact the Irish President by Clicking this Link http://bit.ly/OoKN8z
Tell him you do not want the Statutory Fund and Why?
I can see that Pauline, If other family members want to sign, just copy the link and send to their email address
Many Thanks Kay
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/mandate-for-paddy-doyle-to-represent-survivors/
thanks kay . it was a co pruducton.
Or there’s “If at first you don’t succeed, destroy all evidence that you tried”…Kay
Or there’s “Try and try again boy, you’ll succeed at last”! I presume that includes “girls” as well!
Hi Pauline, Glad to see you managed the petition in the end, a good example of “Where there’s a will there’s a way”.. Best Regards Kay
The petition on the Statutory Fund is at
http://bit.ly/9hjMlC
I am the Petition Author; I Would Like Paddy to deliver this? I am sure that you all would??
If you haven’t signed it then I urge you to NOW!
you will have to click on a confirmation link for your vote to count!
This is a one issue Mandate!
Lets work together???
Win this we can move forward TOGETHER?
Your Friend Rob
I have tried several links but it just wont work yet. My name comes up saying I have voted. I will have to get someone who can tame this machine.
Mandate for Paddy Doyle to Represent “Survivors”
Hi to all
Paddy has very kindly agreed to be “spokesperson” on behalf of all “survivors” provided he gets a mandate to do so, so please vote on the link below (very easy) and please ask family members to do the same!
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/mandate-for-paddy-doyle-to-represent-survivors/
Many Thanks Kay
Kay
thanks Its nice when your efforts are appreciated
Right now I fear that the STF will simply g through..there appears to be no opposition to organise.
Sally
Thanks Sally for sharing your letter with us, it would be good if other groups did the same, I do hope they agree to stop “The Statuary Trust Fund” and to enter into further discussion allowing all “Survivors” to have a say on this very important issue, hope you receive a reply soon, will look forward to reading it!
Regards Kay
Dear Paddy
The letter below is a my letter to Enda Kenny TD Fine Gael Leader . I have sent a similar letter to the Labour spokesperson Kathleen Lynch.
In addition my letter also asks for a meeting and suggesting you come with me. (ates and times to be arranged) It may not happen
if it does ld share information on your site.
I am dissapointed that there’s not been a take up on my suggestion that this legislation is delayed. I know people dont have any time or any faith in this Dail process but the reality is that this is how the mattr will be dealt with-through the Dail, through parliament .
We must have a say and we must seek to delay this progress till there has been proper negotiations.
Sally
Enda Kenny TD Fine Gael Leader
Dear Enda Kenny,
I recently read your response to a Survivor regarding the proposed Statutory Trust Fund for former residents of Institutions run by Irish Congregations of Religious Orders. It was on Paddy Doyle’s site.
I have to say I was surprised, even astonished at your response. It appears to me that the underlying discussions and many of the objections to the creation of this Statutory Fund expressed numerously by Survivors- ‘the intended recpieipents nt reached you. You intend to ‘push forward with the Fund’. On whose behalf?
As you know The Government propose to bring forward legislation (scheduled for Jan 2010) to create a Statutory Trust Fund for former residents of institutions.
The Government are declaring it has all Party Agreement and putting the legislation through is ere formality. There has understandably been no time on the part of Government or Opposition Parties to give this draft Bill or related proposals, the attention it needs.
However, in bringing it forward, it is being viewed by the Government and the Congregations as full and final settlement with the Congregations.
Former residents in huge and very significant numbers are very far from seeing this as a full and final settlement.
itwould be deeply disappointing and hurtful in fact if this was the case and if it was legislated for in these circumstances. Progress and settlement are needed but this is not the path. This is not the way.
I am curious to see what you as Fine Gael Leader will say. Will you
actually ask questions and clarify to your own satisfaction it is actually what Survivors –the proposed beneficiaries WANT. I think you will find it is not .
This is just not the way– we are no where near a final settlement. The Government have not even been able to define or identify who the supposed beneficiaries are? Who will be included/excluded? The issue of enduring and persistent poverty and distress amongst Survivors is not being addressed by these proposals. There are other significant concerns.
We can’t afford to leave these discussions till the eve of this Bill’s passage through the Dail. It will be too late. We are asking you to seek a referral /delay until proper negotiations are undertaken.
Sally Mulready
Cllr Sally Mulready Chair of Irish Women Survivors Support Network
In the news this evening there was a reportage about the situation in Ireland. the country beeing broke and people losing thier jobs and all . its very sad but i was wondering if the statury fund has been affected by the crash of the banks .????
tHANKS VERY MUCH KAY. I WILL TRY THAT WAY
Hi Pauline, The only way I can think of, is to create another email address, then go into Care2 petitionsite type into search box ‘ Mandate for Paddy Doyle to represent Survivors’ then fill in details with your new email, and sign, this should work ok
Good Luck Kay
I am afraid it still says that my vote has been sent . Perhaps it depends on where we vote from. I have tried several times Paddy do you have any idea how to bypass this . As I really do want to vote . After all it is an action. can we send e mails if we can’t vote on the petition site
Paulene, when i first tried, i had the same problem, but tried again. Seem’s their was a technical problem, but it is sorted now. Advise you try again, and you know for sure it has gone tru ,when you get an email from the petition site.
Good luck
jIMMY.
Hi Pauline, try using the following link not the first one you used , it is working OK, Catherine and all the other voters with queries are now showing up as registered, hopefully this time it will work for you let me know if you have any more problems, tomorrow I have an all day appointment but will reply as soon as I can, Best Regards Kay
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/mandate-for-paddy-doyle-to-represent-survivors/
Hi Kay thanks my name is on the list.
Hello Kay and Jimmy . I have tried to vote again but my name comes up saying I have voted on the 20th of November. Perhaps my vote and the other vote are lost in space. How can we vote now? Thanks again
Hi Catherine, there was a technical error on the 20th this has now been fixed so yes please sign again, sorry about this! Many Thanks Kay
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/mandate-for-paddy-doyle-to-represent-survivors/
Hi Pauline, its right what Jimmy has said, but would be ok to sign again just in case!, your name will only register once, so no worries there
Best Regards Kay
Hi Kay.signed the petition on November 20th said I had voted and my signature has been delivered to the Irish Government,my name is not on the list do I need to sign again.Thank you.
Paulene, when you have signed the petition, you should receive an email from the petition site ,which confirm’s your vote. In my experience, it took a couple of day’s before my name went on the role.
Hope that help’s, give it time.
Jimmy.
hello Kay. when i went into the petition site it says i have voted but my name is not on the list . can you let me know what to do .If i have to vote again or what thanks kay
May, I’ve no idea whether these group leaders can be sacked? My guess is that they can’t because they were not democratically elected. They assumed the “power” they have and they seem hell bent on holding on to it. Remember the words of Mr. O’Brien “I speak for all victims of abuse”. Speaking for myself, I do not want Mr. O’Brien to utter a word to anyone on my behalf.
The ideal situation would be to elect one or more persons to represent all ‘survivors’. It’s getting those people that’s the problem. Paddy.
Paddy ,
As these group leaders claim to represent me and all the rest of the survivors of the Irish Industrail Schools.
Is it possible to sack them, and employ just one person to represent all survivors whatever country they live in
may .
Mandate for Paddy to Represent Survivors
Will all those in favour of Paddy to act as spokesperson please sign petition below
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/mandate-for-paddy-doyle-to-represent-survivors/
Regards to all Kay
by the way Paddy like the new look site as usual always keeping up to date,
shame on the self supporting groups they cant even remember last week.
May: i have mentioned this in so many columns of Paddy’s site, repeating it over and over again.
yes i agree with you
Angry: you make a great deal of truth, bud.
Jack : Solicitors believe they have done their monies worth, THEY GOT THEIRS.
BILL: ALL SURVIVORS WANT TO SPEAK UP JUST LIKE HE DID BUT THE MOUTH OF THE UNKNOWN SURVIVOR IS GAGGED.
WE ARE UNKNOWN BECAUSE WE HAVE NO VOICE.
WHAT HE, MR. O BRIEN DID ALL SURVIVORS ON THIS SITE ARE DOING,
YET NO ONE HAS READ, LISTENED OR GAVE A TOSS.
PADDY DOYLE, HAS DONE FAR MORE THAN ANY SO CALLED INDIVIDUAL, HE HAS NOT LET HIS “( OWN EMOTIONS/PAIN )” CLAIM TO REPRESENT ALL SURVIVORS, HE IS NOT EASLY MISLEAD. HE HAS SPOKEN FOR HIMSELF AS WE ALL DO HERE.
THIS IS THE SPACE, THE RIGHT PLACE, TO SAY WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY AND THE MORE THAT SAY WHAT THEY FEEL THE MORE WE GET TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IT IS US SURVIVORS/WITNESSES NEED.
YES IT WAS GOOD TO HEAR A SURVIVOR/WITNESS SPEAK OUT OF HIS PAIN I DO AGREE, WITH YOU BILL, BUT ONE HAS TO SPEAK UP FOR THEMSELVES AND IF HE WANTS TO LEAD THE NEED OF SURVIVORS THEN HE MUST DO IT RIGHTLY AS SO ANYONE WHO CLAIMS TO REPRESENT SURVIVORS/WITNESSES. A MANDATE STATING WHAT PADDY ALREADY HAS SAID AND I QUOTE,
“NOTHING ABOUT US WITHOUT US”.
SO MANY GROUPS HAVE HELD PRIVATE MEETINGS WITH THEMSELVES AND NOT MENTIONED THE NEEDS OF SURVIVORS/WITNESSES, THIS IS WHY THERE IS NOTHING ON THE TABLE FOR ANYONE.
on the 12 jan 2010
i sent a email to enda kenny this is what i asked.
dear sir is there any questions being asked on the running of survivor groups as there is a lot of confusion into the running of these groups the right of place cork has got itself into a high court hearing and this concerns me as a survivor.
is there any way we survivors can be treated more fairly than present.
his answer was, NOTHING NOTHING NOTHING NO REPLY WHAT SO EVER, JUST AS ANY DUMB MOUTH PIECE WITHOUT A CLUE OF WHAT IS THE TRUTH. A GREAT EXAMPLE OF GROUP/POLITICAL/RELIGIOUS LEADER.
“NOTHING ABOUT US WITHOUT US”
I think that is an excellent idea Paddy – for as many people (who mainly log on to your site) to write to Mr Norris and request minutes of the meeting(s) with Mr O’Brien. By the way, is this the same Mr O’Brien who called the Teasoich a ‘gobshite?’ If so, then why are the TDs or Senators allowing him any time to speak with them? It appears to me that the more you insult the government (to their faces) the better the opportunity of speaking to them later.
THIS IS WHATS HAPPENING ALL THE TIME
I DONT KNOW MICHAEL O BRIEN, BUT I WILL NEVER
FORGET HIS STATEMENT ON T.V.
HE BROUGHT THE WHOLE ABUSE SYSTEM TO THE FRONT,TO ME HE IS AN HONEST MAN,TRYING TO
GET ALL OF US OUR RIGHTS.
IM GLAD HE GOES TO THESE MEETING AT LEAST
HES NOT LIKE BARRY BUCKLEY AND TRAENOR.LOOKING AFTER THEMSELVES
WE NEED PEOPLE LIKE HIM AT LEAST HE WILL SPEAK HIS MIND.
IM SURE MR O BRIEN WOULD BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND OFFER HIS HELP TO ANYONE
David, there is a reality out there, some would say a dreadful reality and that is that most if not all of the people claiming to represent ‘survivors’ are in regular meetings with members of the Dáil or Senate. The most recent of which was a meeting with Senator David Norris. Michael O’Brien attended that “breakfast meeting” no doubt claiming to speak for “all survivors”. I suggest that everyone that writes to this site, write to Senator Norris – a thorough gentleman – and ask him for the minutes of that meeting. It’s clear the Mr. O’Brien has not ‘signed up’ to the “NOTHING ABOUT US WITHOUT US” and his just doing what he likes without consultation with anyone other than a handful of people who were abused while in residential institutions and abused there. Paddy.
We have being reading and talking for some time, mainly on Paddy’s website, about the STF and the general feeling is that 99.99% of survivors are against the setting up of such a Trust. Sometimes ‘Actions can speak louder than words’ so is it possible that as many survivors that can get together, demonstrate on the date of the hearing (when it is to be debated in the Dail). Banners, the lot, with TV and radio involved. But not for them to speak to ‘old hat’ leaders like Buckley, Kelly, O’Brien etc. I am fed up seeing their faces every-time something crops up. Paddy, Sally, Angry and a few others, are very articulate and, I’m sure, would get the message across a lot better than people who fumble their words, therefore given the impression that they don’t know what they are talking about. I’m aware that the citizens of Ireland have had their belly full of listening to and hearing about the survivors, a lot of which is down to people who claim to speak on our behalf, but neither should we allow the government to walk all over us or, for that matter, the congregations to decide where the money should go or the conditions they have put forward.
What about asking any one of these solicitors, who made large sums of money from our abuses in these gulags, to set up in all local and national media, a system to enable all survivors to to express their objection to this FUND.I don’t think this would bring them to the bread line . just a thought. mind you I wont hold my breath. Whatever happened to the Barnardo’s lists of names on the funding question ??
listen to the sounds of these names
Brian Cowen, Enda Kenny, Eamon Gilmore
they all sound the same. VOTE FOR ME
We Are all forgetting where the money went over the last ten years.
1/ THE REDRES BOARD AND ALL THE PEOPLE THEY EMPLOYED.(WHO ARE STILL BEEN PAID.
2/ THE COMMISSION AND THERE EMPLOYEES
3/ THE SOLICITORS FOR THE ABUSED & THE SOLICITORS WHO REPRESENTED THE GROUP
LEADERS
4/ THE EDUCATION FUND WHO ARE STILL BEEN PAID
5/ THE GROUP LEADERS AND THERE SO CALLED EMPLOYEES
OVER THE LAST TEN YEARS ALL OF THESE PEOPLE HAVE BECOME MILLIONAIRES ON THE BACKS OF THE SURVIVORS, AND WILL GET A GOOD PENSION WHEN THEY FINISH AND I SUPPOSE THEIR PENSION WILL COME OUT OF THE SO CALLED FUND. There will be nothing for the survivors so dont hold your breaths
may
MAY
Another example of a disconnected professional politician who says he can lead the country out from a dark place. The same “disconnect” that can explain why he did not at an early stage warn of the disaster at hand within the financial system. It was his job to do so. Ignorance is no defence. If he is the leader of the opposition what exactly is he opposing?.
Here we see the political qualities of those who say they can lead a country. The same respectlessness that has plunged the wee republic into a dark place. The same lack of humility that preceeds a disaster. The same arrogance that hallmarks dealings with its citizenry. We are indeed in bizzaro land.
As a survivor now in my very late years. I can share with the anger and frustration of contributors to this page.I say remove the funding to these so called REPS.Doing this I feel we would see a very quick removal of these survivor ABUSERS.
I’ll say i again. Brian Cowan. Enda Kenny Mary Coughlan. the list of the ‘NOT LISTENING TO VICTIMS; is endless. They never have and they never will.
I agree Paddy, Enda Kenny talking and saying nothing, i.e. talking a load of bull-crap! Obviously he is totally unaware of what the REAL people want, and the REAL people are not fooled. He’s just waffling as usual. So, he should get off the stage!
Enda doing what Enda does best. Talking and saying nothing. That’s an art form.
Since the abusers get to fix the conditions its bound to take the time thay need to decide.As for the government thay should never have taken over as its been proved again and again that thay were the complices of the abusers
MR KENNY, YOUR PLEDGE FOR YOU AND YOUR FINE GAEL PARTY TO PRESS THE GOVERNMENT TO ESTABLISH THE PROPOSED TRUST FUND , AMOUNT’S TO TOTAL IGNORANCE OF WHAT THE FOLK THESE CONTRIBUTION’S WERE INTENDED FOR , ACTUALLY REQUEST AND NEED.
ASSUMING THAT YOU READ THE ISSUE’S POSTED ON THIS FINE SITE, YOU WILL READ WHAT THE MAJORITY OF SURVIVOR’S WANT, AND READ OF THEIR REASON’S FOR WANTING THE CONTRIBUTION’S SHARED OUT IN A FAIR AND JUST MANNER.
THE TRUST FUND WILL BE OF NO BENIFIT TO THE MANY SCATTERED FOLK LIVING THROUGHOUT THE WORLD.THE MAJORITY OF SURVIVOR’S ARE NOW IN THEIR ELDER YEAR’S, AND MOST CURRENTLY TOO OLD TO FIND TIME OR NEED FOR FURTHER EDUCATION, COUNCILLING, ETC.ETC.
THE MAJORITY SIMPLY WANT TO GET ON WITH THEIR LIVE’S, THEY DONT REQUIRE THE BEGGING BOWL THAT A TRUST FUND WOULD NECESSITATE!
IF YOU READ THE VARIOUS POSTING’S ON THIS SITE, YOU WIL ALSO SEE THAT SURVIVOR’S DO NOT WANT THIS TRUST FUND SET UP, KNOWING ONLY TO WELL THAT IT WOULD COST A FORTUNE TO ESTABLISH, AND RUN, AND WOULD BE OF BENIFIT ONLY TO THE VARIOUS GROUP’S , WHO CURRENTLY ARE GUILTY OF CLAIMING ON BEHALF OF FICTITIOUS MEMBERSHIP’S, AND , THAT ARE CLEARLY IN NEED OF INVESTIGATION!
THE PURPOSE OF THE CONTRIBUTION’S WERE TO ADDRESS THE THOUSAND’S OF DAMAGED FOLK WHO PASSED THROUGH IRELAND’S GULAG’S, SO PLEASE CONSIDER ALL THE VARIOUS POINT’S RAISED HERE
ON THIS SITE!
THIS IS WITHOUT DOUBT A GREAT OPPORTUNIY FOR THE GOVERNMENT AND RELIGIOUS TO PUT THIS WHOLE SORRY BUSINESS TO BED, AND NOT DRAG IT INTO THE NEXT CENTURY, AND ONCE DONE, IT WILL THEN ALLOW YOU BOTH TO PUT YOUR RESPECTIVE HOUSE’S IN ORDER,AND POSSIBLY REDEEM SOME RESPECT, ANYTHING ELSE WOULD BE VIEWED AS FURTHER ABUSE TO THE ALREADY ABUSED!
JIMMY
MY GOD WHAT KIND OF A IS FOOL IS ENDA KENNY
IS HE BLIND DEAF AND DUMB?
SURELY HE MUST KNOW THAT 99.999% OF ALL SURVIVERS ARE DISCUSTED AND LIVID WITH THIS SO CALLED TRUST FUND.
WHAT GOOD IS A TRUST FUND TO MOST SURVIVERS
WE ARE ALL IN OUR 60-70S I DONT NEED EDUCATION (WHICH IS COVERED BY ADULT EDUCATION) I DONT WANT COUNCILING IM F!!!!D UP ENOUGH.
ALL I WANT IS THE MONEY THAT THE RELIGIOUS ORDERS
AWARDED US
BARRY BUCKLEY AND TRAENOR WANTED THE TO KEEP
THEIR COSY CARTEL AND CHEAT AND ROB US OF OUR JUST REWARD.
MR KENNY IF YOU HAVE ANY BIT OF DECENCEY OR HONOUR YOU SHOULD VOTE AGAINST THIS DAY LIGHT ROBBERY.REMEMBER AS A VOTING LOBBY WE
HAVE A LOT OF CLOUT AND WILL USE AGAINST THOSES WHO WRONG AN D MISREPRESENT UN
An awful lot of verbiage that adds nothing to our knowledge.
Enda Kenny and his party are just as much spineless Vatican puppets as FF. Both parties are the political wings of the Catholic Church Limited. Who was it that decided on the day survivors were marching to the Dail to switch the debate from child rape and torture to a vote of No Confidence in the government?
What an idiotic reply. We all know , more then he appears to do, about the sequence of events since the publication of the Commission to Inquire Into Child Abuse Report (Ryan Commission)
We all know about the publication of the Murphy/Ferns Reports and we all know what the proposals are from the Taoiseach following the meeting in April and the press release from him and another from Minister Coughlan.
Restating what we all know is a complete cop out. What does he suggest? What will he do?
Notice he has not said there is to date an All Party Agreement on the creation of a Trust Fund. Well is there ? Brian Cowen says there is.
Notice he has not said this proposed Fund is presently being drafted into a Statutory Trust Fund Bill. As things stand right now is on the Dail Schedule to be debated in January 2011 -though as I have said before the Government could bring it forward.
Enda Kenny says he promises to pursue a Trust Fund, Has he read anything that many people out there are saying? They are saying in its present form they do not want a Trust Fund.
Why does he not bring some useful information to this discussion?.
Why does he not find out what stage the draft proposed Bill is at and how likely it is that it will be before the Dail in January as it is currently scheduled to do.
Promising to press the Government to establish a Trust Fund, suggests to me Enda Kenney and his advisor’s completely miss the point being made by so many who are opposed to the current proposed Trust Fund . There he goes promising to ensure it happens. Talk about inept.
People need to start to treat this whole issue with some urgency. Unless I am getting it completely wrong , this Bill will be drafted, it will be debated and though the Opposition Parties may make a few amendments here and there it will be passed. It will become law.
Yes I know people oppose it but what, repeat what are we all doing about it? There is an urgent need to secure meetings with opposition spokespeople from Labour and FG and also to get a meeting with Minister Coughlan who will lead on this Bill.
I am not being alarmist. I am being realistic .
The only other possibility is that the Bill is completely withdrawn and the whole proposal is properly debated. What about that for a move?. If we united around that possibility and then establish proper and meaningful and constructive negotiations
as the way forward. I’d be happy with that.
Sorry but Enda’s letter is not at all helpful. Nor it seems to me was it intended to be it was just a fob off and a very lazy disrespectful one at that.
RE: The Institutional Abuse Saga. THE STATE FAILED IN IT`S DUTY OF CARE. IT CONTINUES TO FAIL. However, the State`s FAILURE when measured against the FAILURE of these so called “group leaders” who purport to “represent” the vast majority of inmates from the gulags , convents and other hell holes, makes the State appear SAINT LIKE.
The State has been reposing in luxury, untouched and unlistening as the ABUSE SAGA trundles on , sympathy fatigue having long ago set in, and a jaded public no longer interested as they wrestle with their own money worries. The swishing of knives is STILL prevalent , as Judas and Brutus like, the in-fighting continues, no leadership, no sense of direction, no aim , no co-hesive amalgam of constructive means on display to garner support from the majority of survivors to assist a means to an end to this lunacy brought about by the abscence and ability of these so called “leaders” to engage with one another in a common cause to forge a unity of purpose. The inter personal distaste of these people for one another has supplied our detractors with more than enough ammunition to pour cold water on those who make genuine attempts to resolve this question of further redress, or the setting up of a trust fund, or a mixture of both, whichever way it`s viewed, presently it represents nothing more than an additional factor in the subjective form of this ongoing interplay of subject with object. The object here being to get rid of these so called “group leaders” and their kick back culture. The money poured into this ROP bunch of scammers , crooks and con artists, used primarily for FIRST CLASS TRAVEL, LUXURY HOTELS in central London, brown envelopes to cronies, unducumented use of monies intended for survivors needs going on 4×4`s, holidays abroad on survivors monies, etc, etc, is it no wonder that the public are rightly pissed of when they see their taxes going to these cretans and mumpers, quislings and pond life who masquerade as “leaders”.? Treacherous and greedy dogs, the whole sorry bunch of them.
These so called “group leaders” and other splinter groups can have no further say in the affairs of survivors, their sell by date has long passed. The above letter from Enda Kenny highlights the fact that there is NO engagement currenly in operation in regards to this trust fund or further redress, leaving the field wide open for State and religious to call the shots, whereas in reality it SHOULD be the survivors who call the shots, but if there is NOTHING occuring in relation to negotiation in regard to survivors having a voice in these proceedings, then the status quo will be maintained, no action, no result.
There is a legal conundrum here which creates obstacles to the Taoiseachs “DEMAND FOR FURTHER SUBSTANTIAL REDRESS” for survivors made in his “emotional” speech to the Nation following the march in June last year. His magnamimous and “impassioned” plea for “”FURTHER SUBSTANTIAL REDRESS” was just that , a plea, HE DID NOT INSTITUTE LEGAL PROCEEDINGS TO OVERTURN THE INDEMNITY DEAL, thereby putting this FURTHER SUBSTANTIAL REDRESS in the hands of the Attorney General to give it a legal basis, as Enda Kenny above states, it was merely an “agreement” , dependent upon the “generousity” of the eighteen religious orders. Of course, the papers and media ran wild with it, giving false hope in offering different interpretations of EXACTLY what Brian Cowen sought to achive, many, many people lost sight of the fact that THE RELIGIOUS ORDERS HAD BEEN INDEMNIFIED BY THE STATE, LEGALLY, AGAINST ANY FURTHER OR FUTURE CLAIMS ON THEIR ASSETS. The wily Brian had succedded in assuaging the wrath of the nation, came the moment, came the man, and once more the State had RALLIED to the side of the religious, I so admire political hatchet men, and the wily Brian measures up to that criteria. MORAL OF THE STORY. NEVER EVER BELIEVE WHAT YOU READ IN A NEWSPAPER.